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Is that sexcism ? Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences.

by rmc 14y ago

mootothemax 14y ago
Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences. Exactly. If you're in a professional environment, behave professionally.
- kayoone 14y ago
  It was a private conversation that somebody happened to listen to though.
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - rmc 14y ago
    It's not that black and white. They were at a public conference surrounded and within earshot of many people they may not have known. If you're at home, then that's private and you can get naked. But you can't do that anywhere at a conference. The conference is 'mostly public'.
claudius 14y ago
Could you please define sexism?
- rmc 14y ago
  "sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders and/or that re-enforced gender roles.
  - claudius 14y ago
    > "sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech (that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders) and/or (that re-enforced gender roles). I took the liberty to insert some brackets to transport my understanding of the above, please do correct me if I am wrong. It is easily visible that we cannot fulfil the first, sufficient, but not necessary, requirement for an action to be sexist without knowing the intention of the subject. Hence, I will concentrate on the second condition. However, I still fail to see how making sexual jokes reinforces gender roles, apart from the, uh, biologically motivated one that, during heterosexual sex, the woman is usually the receiving partner. But by that definition, basically everything remotely related to sex, even the usual bees-and-flowers talk, is sexist, since you will have a hard time finding a discussion of heterosexual sex (especially reproductive sex) that does not involve the female partner being penetrated.
    - rmc 14y ago
      er, maybe I copy/pasted wrong, and misspoke, a better definition is to replace "designed to" with "has the effect of". I don't think intent is magic and makes everything OK. Context can be important. One of the problems is how often the only type of sex that's discussed us "man does women". You can talk about hetero sex lots by describing lots of different types of sex. It's a problem when the only type of sex is when men are doing the woman. It's wrong to say that men have to be the one 'dominating' and 'doing all the action'. This is harmful to gay men who are receptive in sex, since it's used to justify how "they aren't real men". Likewise it's harmful if women are only seen as sex objects. Things to f*. Rather than people, or even people who can control their own sex lives.
icebraining 14y ago
Sex and sexism are different things.
jiggy2011 14y ago
I guess there is a difference between sexism and sexualization.

Is that sexcism ? Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences.

by rmc 14y ago

Is that sexcism ? Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences.

Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences. Exactly. If you're in a professional environment, behave professionally.

kayoone 14y ago
It was a private conversation that somebody happened to listen to though.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
- rmc 14y ago
  It's not that black and white. They were at a public conference surrounded and within earshot of many people they may not have known. If you're at home, then that's private and you can get naked. But you can't do that anywhere at a conference. The conference is 'mostly public'.

claudius 14y ago

Could you please define sexism?

rmc 14y ago
"sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders and/or that re-enforced gender roles.
- claudius 14y ago
  > "sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech (that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders) and/or (that re-enforced gender roles). I took the liberty to insert some brackets to transport my understanding of the above, please do correct me if I am wrong. It is easily visible that we cannot fulfil the first, sufficient, but not necessary, requirement for an action to be sexist without knowing the intention of the subject. Hence, I will concentrate on the second condition. However, I still fail to see how making sexual jokes reinforces gender roles, apart from the, uh, biologically motivated one that, during heterosexual sex, the woman is usually the receiving partner. But by that definition, basically everything remotely related to sex, even the usual bees-and-flowers talk, is sexist, since you will have a hard time finding a discussion of heterosexual sex (especially reproductive sex) that does not involve the female partner being penetrated.
  - rmc 14y ago
    er, maybe I copy/pasted wrong, and misspoke, a better definition is to replace "designed to" with "has the effect of". I don't think intent is magic and makes everything OK. Context can be important. One of the problems is how often the only type of sex that's discussed us "man does women". You can talk about hetero sex lots by describing lots of different types of sex. It's a problem when the only type of sex is when men are doing the woman. It's wrong to say that men have to be the one 'dominating' and 'doing all the action'. This is harmful to gay men who are receptive in sex, since it's used to justify how "they aren't real men". Likewise it's harmful if women are only seen as sex objects. Things to f*. Rather than people, or even people who can control their own sex lives.

icebraining 14y ago

Sex and sexism are different things.

jiggy2011 14y ago

I guess there is a difference between sexism and sexualization.