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I know many guys (including me) that could possibly have said the same things joking around. I also know alot of girls that like to joke around in similar ways
by kayoone 14y ago
I know many guys (including me) that could possibly have said the same things joking around.
I also know alot of girls that like to joke around in similar ways about guys.
Is that sexcism ? Should people loose their job about stuff like that ? Absolutely not.
I get that it might be hard to draw the line, but come on, we're all human after all, this clearly didnt overstep the border and the guy apologized.
- thibaut_barrere 14y agoThis story comes a bit as a shock to me - but being french, maybe there's a fair bit of cultural difference here. I can say that here, women in my circle of friends are way more likely to issue the "big dongle" joke than men o_O (even between girls alone).
- mtrimpe 14y agoThere is a very big cultural difference there indeed. The French are quite famous for the degree to which sexuality is (respectfully) integrated into the workplace. The US on the other hand didn't manage to do that, so has a general policy of keeping sexuality out of the workplace altogether.
- acangiano 14y agoIt is definitely cultural. For example, in Europe it's totally acceptable for people to have wine or beer during their lunch break at work.
- kayoone 14y agoExactly...i am german and when i am around my girlfriend and her friends, well if i would shed a tear on every sexcist comment i would be crying all day...
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- rmc 14y agoIs that sexcism ? Yes. Stop sexualising professional conferences.
- mootothemax 14y agoYes. Stop sexualising professional conferences. Exactly. If you're in a professional environment, behave professionally.
- kayoone 14y agoIt was a private conversation that somebody happened to listen to though.
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- rmc 14y agoIt's not that black and white. They were at a public conference surrounded and within earshot of many people they may not have known. If you're at home, then that's private and you can get naked. But you can't do that anywhere at a conference. The conference is 'mostly public'.
- claudius 14y agoCould you please define sexism?
- rmc 14y ago"sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders and/or that re-enforced gender roles.
- claudius 14y ago> "sexism" is an adjective/adverb that means actions & speech (that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among the sexs/genders) and/or (that re-enforced gender roles). I took the liberty to insert some brackets to transport my understanding of the above, please do correct me if I am wrong. It is easily visible that we cannot fulfil the first, sufficient, but not necessary, requirement for an action to be sexist without knowing the intention of the subject. Hence, I will concentrate on the second condition. However, I still fail to see how making sexual jokes reinforces gender roles, apart from the, uh, biologically motivated one that, during heterosexual sex, the woman is usually the receiving partner. But by that definition, basically everything remotely related to sex, even the usual bees-and-flowers talk, is sexist, since you will have a hard time finding a discussion of heterosexual sex (especially reproductive sex) that does not involve the female partner being penetrated.
- mtrimpe 14y agoOne of the two guys lost his job after an internal investigation. It's hard to say "this wasn't the only thing he did" in more specific terms. But yes, this shouldn't have been said. If he lost his job for just this that's probably too harsh. Then again there's plenty of Adria's around who've lost their jobs for complaining far more subtly.