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Thank you for being the sane one here. This "engineer" didn't even understand that Apple doesn't write the drivers and "BIOS" for the card; how can I take his

Thank you for being the sane one here. This "engineer" didn't even understand that Apple doesn't write the drivers and "BIOS" for the card; how can I take his rant seriously? Not to mention he started it with "my computer has been acting up for the last year but, y'know, who has the time to take it in? You'll never guess what happened... it got WORSE!!" Feign surprise.

nivla 14y ago
>This "engineer" didn't even understand that Apple doesn't write the drivers and "BIOS" for the card I would have agreed with this argument had he installed a custom graphics card but this is not the case here. It came included with the product, so its Apple's responsibility to make sure it works. Say you buy a new car from Ford and the tires wear out in 6 months, despite Michelin being the manufactures, wouldn't you still blame Ford for it? Alright, let's take a HN friendly example. Say you run a medium B2B startup and one day the API that a lot of other businesses depend on goes down. The reason could be attributed to a strange bug in the new Ruby/Django/PHP update. Would you still pass the blame to Ruby/Django/PHP or would you accept responsibility for it?
georgemcbay 14y ago
I don't see how it makes any difference who writes the GPU drivers. Apple's entire business model is selling all-in-one solutions and the price you pay for that as the vendor is the whole box is your problem from the customer's perspective. GPU driver issues? I don't care if they are Nvidia's (or AMD/ATI's) bugs, Nvidia (or AMD/ATI) is your GPU vendor, you have them fix that shit and just deliver that to me in an OS update. Otherwise your shit is busted. If my Honda car had some firmware in it programmed by some 3rd party shop in China and it started acting up, I would damn well demand Honda figure out how to get it fixed regardless of whose bug it was. They are the ones who sold me the integrated solution, it is now their problem. Same thing with Apple devices, especially since they've chosen to create an ecosystem of computers with no user serviceable or replaceable parts.
- eridius 14y ago
  But the problem isn't shitty drivers. The problem is the hardware seems to be failing, and all the drivers did was alter the observable behavior for the faulty hardware (unfortunately, making it worse, but that's not the salient point here). It's not reasonable to blame a company for a supposedly bad software revision, when the fundamental issue is bad hardware.

nivla 14y ago

>This "engineer" didn't even understand that Apple doesn't write the drivers and "BIOS" for the card I would have agreed with this argument had he installed a custom graphics card but this is not the case here. It came included with the product, so its Apple's responsibility to make sure it works. Say you buy a new car from Ford and the tires wear out in 6 months, despite Michelin being the manufactures, wouldn't you still blame Ford for it? Alright, let's take a HN friendly example. Say you run a medium B2B startup and one day the API that a lot of other businesses depend on goes down. The reason could be attributed to a strange bug in the new Ruby/Django/PHP update. Would you still pass the blame to Ruby/Django/PHP or would you accept responsibility for it?

georgemcbay 14y ago

I don't see how it makes any difference who writes the GPU drivers. Apple's entire business model is selling all-in-one solutions and the price you pay for that as the vendor is the whole box is your problem from the customer's perspective. GPU driver issues? I don't care if they are Nvidia's (or AMD/ATI's) bugs, Nvidia (or AMD/ATI) is your GPU vendor, you have them fix that shit and just deliver that to me in an OS update. Otherwise your shit is busted. If my Honda car had some firmware in it programmed by some 3rd party shop in China and it started acting up, I would damn well demand Honda figure out how to get it fixed regardless of whose bug it was. They are the ones who sold me the integrated solution, it is now their problem. Same thing with Apple devices, especially since they've chosen to create an ecosystem of computers with no user serviceable or replaceable parts.

eridius 14y ago
But the problem isn't shitty drivers. The problem is the hardware seems to be failing, and all the drivers did was alter the observable behavior for the faulty hardware (unfortunately, making it worse, but that's not the salient point here). It's not reasonable to blame a company for a supposedly bad software revision, when the fundamental issue is bad hardware.