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Whether or not Adria overreacted is irrelevant. If the problem is these guys got fired, then be mad at the company NOT someone who likely has to deal with sexis

Whether or not Adria overreacted is irrelevant. If the problem is these guys got fired, then be mad at the company NOT someone who likely has to deal with sexist bullshit day in and day out in a male dominated and sexualized industry.Okay, so she overreacted, big deal, people overreact every day. On the other hand, look at the response - thousands of comments here and at reddit and on twitter posting her real life address, calling for her to be raped or cut, etc. Extreme and vicious misogyny. The original incident may have been a "false positive" as you say (still if the conference organizers thought she was wrong, they could have said eh, we don't think it's a big deal, same with the company HR folks), the response has been 100% vicious and violent misogyny.

mymulti 14y ago
> Whether or not Adria overreacted is irrelevant How is it? Is attempting to publicly humiliate someone and get them fired now preferred over politely asking them to stop? > NOT someone who likely has to deal with sexist bullshit day in and day out in a male dominated and sexualized industry. "Society is male dominated, therefore it's acceptable to publicly humiliate someone and get them fired over dongle jokes". > thousands of comments here and at reddit and on twitter posting her real life address, calling for her to be raped or cut, etc. Extreme and vicious misogyny. I haven't personally seen any of this; it's mostly just people disagreeing with her behavior. Rule #1 of the internet: there are trolls. > The original incident may have been a "false positive" as you say Wait, do you seriously think that publicly humiliating someone and getting them fired over a dongle joke is not a problem? > the response has been 100% vicious and violent misogyny. You mean "100% of the troll posts I looked at were troll posts". By the way, misogyny is the hatred of women in general. A hateful post is not necessarily misogyny just because it's directed at a woman. Eg. I can hate Sarah Palin and post about how I hope she gets eaten by a grue, but that's not misogyny.
homosaur 14y ago
More shouting people down by saying any disagreement is racist, sexist, etc. So sick of this from the first year liberal arts student crowd. 100% fascist thoughts. If you don't agree with me, you're not only wrong, you're evil. Disgusting that you would even go there.
bobwaycott 14y ago
No sane person, including myself, who vehemently disagrees with Adria's actions is engaging in or supporting threatening Adria at all, calling her obscene names, etc. Please do not lump us in with the 'extreme and vicious misogyny', for which I am not the only one who has zero tolerance of it and offers it no support at all. Adria's overreaction and characterization of this event as sexism is very relevant. I understand that she may have 'to deal with sexist bullshit day in and day out in a male dominated' world, and I specifically go to bat for that. But this situation was not sexism, and it is relevant and important to make that clear. Because a bunch of assholes are using this as a platform to spout misogynistic bullshit and threats does not mean others cannot or should not speak out. And the fact that I spoke out, along with plenty of others, without being even obliquely misogynist means the response has not been '100% vicious and violent misogyny.' I don't support that shit in any way, and I won't even hesitate to say that kind of reaction is fucked up. It is exactly why I am a philosophical Marxist who takes the subjugation of women to the material power of men very seriously. Also, it's not for the conference organizers to say she was wrong. You don't deal with people being uncomfortable about a situation, as an organizer, by saying, "Hey, sorry, but that's not a big deal. Why don't you just go sit down and not worry about it?" You are obligated to deal with it, and the PyCon staff did exactly what they should have done. The men's comments were inappropriate and wrong for the place and time. Adria's response was even more inappropriate and wrong for the situation. Threatening Adria's person, calling her names, pillorying her with misogynistic hate speech is completely unacceptable and fucking wrong.

mymulti 14y ago

> Whether or not Adria overreacted is irrelevant How is it? Is attempting to publicly humiliate someone and get them fired now preferred over politely asking them to stop? > NOT someone who likely has to deal with sexist bullshit day in and day out in a male dominated and sexualized industry. "Society is male dominated, therefore it's acceptable to publicly humiliate someone and get them fired over dongle jokes". > thousands of comments here and at reddit and on twitter posting her real life address, calling for her to be raped or cut, etc. Extreme and vicious misogyny. I haven't personally seen any of this; it's mostly just people disagreeing with her behavior. Rule #1 of the internet: there are trolls. > The original incident may have been a "false positive" as you say Wait, do you seriously think that publicly humiliating someone and getting them fired over a dongle joke is not a problem? > the response has been 100% vicious and violent misogyny. You mean "100% of the troll posts I looked at were troll posts". By the way, misogyny is the hatred of women in general. A hateful post is not necessarily misogyny just because it's directed at a woman. Eg. I can hate Sarah Palin and post about how I hope she gets eaten by a grue, but that's not misogyny.

homosaur 14y ago

More shouting people down by saying any disagreement is racist, sexist, etc. So sick of this from the first year liberal arts student crowd. 100% fascist thoughts. If you don't agree with me, you're not only wrong, you're evil. Disgusting that you would even go there.

bobwaycott 14y ago

No sane person, including myself, who vehemently disagrees with Adria's actions is engaging in or supporting threatening Adria at all, calling her obscene names, etc. Please do not lump us in with the 'extreme and vicious misogyny', for which I am not the only one who has zero tolerance of it and offers it no support at all. Adria's overreaction and characterization of this event as sexism is very relevant. I understand that she may have 'to deal with sexist bullshit day in and day out in a male dominated' world, and I specifically go to bat for that. But this situation was not sexism, and it is relevant and important to make that clear. Because a bunch of assholes are using this as a platform to spout misogynistic bullshit and threats does not mean others cannot or should not speak out. And the fact that I spoke out, along with plenty of others, without being even obliquely misogynist means the response has not been '100% vicious and violent misogyny.' I don't support that shit in any way, and I won't even hesitate to say that kind of reaction is fucked up. It is exactly why I am a philosophical Marxist who takes the subjugation of women to the material power of men very seriously. Also, it's not for the conference organizers to say she was wrong. You don't deal with people being uncomfortable about a situation, as an organizer, by saying, "Hey, sorry, but that's not a big deal. Why don't you just go sit down and not worry about it?" You are obligated to deal with it, and the PyCon staff did exactly what they should have done. The men's comments were inappropriate and wrong for the place and time. Adria's response was even more inappropriate and wrong for the situation. Threatening Adria's person, calling her names, pillorying her with misogynistic hate speech is completely unacceptable and fucking wrong.