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"This product is very, very effective, and I recommend it." was the claim you made. "Have not had the opportunity to do so with this company." End of discussi

by niggler 14y ago

"This product is very, very effective, and I recommend it." was the claim you made. "Have not had the opportunity to do so with this company." End of discussion. I don't doubt that the people behind the product are sharp, but its very very poor form to recommend a product with a claim to product effectiveness without having used it first. And to be clear, I wouldn't have an objection if all you said was that you recommend the product because you were impressed with the people. This not only makes me question your integrity on this claim, it will cast doubt on other recommendations you make in the future.

orangethirty 14y ago
Oh I use this type of product with a lot of campaigns. Have nt used them yet, due to how I have had no choice to pick it. I do think the people behind the product are stand up guys and their trajectory and growth shows that they provide a good value. That for me is enough to say that I reccomend others to look into it. Just like people tell other peoe to buy Toyotas even if they have never owned one. Their reputation stands for itself. And before you question my integrity publicly, realize that I did not circle around your question. I answered it in a respectful manner and did not obscure any detail. I cod have just ignored it, but your claim was a valid one. I will not change the answer or hide behind anything because I sat d by it. Your person attack against me does show a rather poor judgement and attitude towards others. No need to disrespect me publicly. A reasonable argument would have been enough. I understand if my personal opinion seems wrong to you, but I do no tolerate the type of attitude showcased in your post.
- niggler 14y ago
  I recommend you go through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5302116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5302116, which was a discussion in which another person recommended a product. The upshot is that people see HN as a different type of forum compared to other places, and some people may actually read your original post as a personal testimonial (regardless of the disclosure, the phrase "This product is very, very effective" highly suggests you've used the product). "And before you question my integrity publicly ... Your person attack against me" If this were any other context, I would accuse you of shilling (and draw an analogy to penny stock pumping). Since this is HN, I take you on your word that you have no financial interest.
  - orangethirty 14y ago
    I understand your point and know that from your point of view it looks scammy. But its not. My interest here is to point out what I think is a good product to use. People are always asking me what tools should they use, and when the chance pops up to point to one I take it. My only interest is to help other business people discover good tools like this one. I don't have any financial interest in the company. I actually turned down an offer to work with them due to closing another client. Such circumstances gave me the opportunity to talk with one of the founders (the OP). The impression that he left in me is that they are a good place to do business with. That impression also comes from me only hearing good things about them from their customers. I am a member in a private group of startups founders where we discuss business development and help each other. I'd like for you to drop by our next meeting (online) so that you can get to know me. My hope is that you realize that my focus is to help others grow their businesses, and not scam people out of money. If you are interested, then send me an email. I will make sure to send you the invitation to the group.
    - orangethirty 14y ago
      Niggler, I want to publicly apologize for any misunderstanding. Please accept my most sincere apology.

by niggler 14y ago

orangethirty 14y ago

Oh I use this type of product with a lot of campaigns. Have nt used them yet, due to how I have had no choice to pick it. I do think the people behind the product are stand up guys and their trajectory and growth shows that they provide a good value. That for me is enough to say that I reccomend others to look into it. Just like people tell other peoe to buy Toyotas even if they have never owned one. Their reputation stands for itself. And before you question my integrity publicly, realize that I did not circle around your question. I answered it in a respectful manner and did not obscure any detail. I cod have just ignored it, but your claim was a valid one. I will not change the answer or hide behind anything because I sat d by it. Your person attack against me does show a rather poor judgement and attitude towards others. No need to disrespect me publicly. A reasonable argument would have been enough. I understand if my personal opinion seems wrong to you, but I do no tolerate the type of attitude showcased in your post.

niggler 14y ago
I recommend you go through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5302116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5302116, which was a discussion in which another person recommended a product. The upshot is that people see HN as a different type of forum compared to other places, and some people may actually read your original post as a personal testimonial (regardless of the disclosure, the phrase "This product is very, very effective" highly suggests you've used the product). "And before you question my integrity publicly ... Your person attack against me" If this were any other context, I would accuse you of shilling (and draw an analogy to penny stock pumping). Since this is HN, I take you on your word that you have no financial interest.
- orangethirty 14y ago
  I understand your point and know that from your point of view it looks scammy. But its not. My interest here is to point out what I think is a good product to use. People are always asking me what tools should they use, and when the chance pops up to point to one I take it. My only interest is to help other business people discover good tools like this one. I don't have any financial interest in the company. I actually turned down an offer to work with them due to closing another client. Such circumstances gave me the opportunity to talk with one of the founders (the OP). The impression that he left in me is that they are a good place to do business with. That impression also comes from me only hearing good things about them from their customers. I am a member in a private group of startups founders where we discuss business development and help each other. I'd like for you to drop by our next meeting (online) so that you can get to know me. My hope is that you realize that my focus is to help others grow their businesses, and not scam people out of money. If you are interested, then send me an email. I will make sure to send you the invitation to the group.
  - orangethirty 14y ago
    Niggler, I want to publicly apologize for any misunderstanding. Please accept my most sincere apology.