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She didn't use the exact word 'sexism', but her blog post very much made it out to be a sexism issue.

by pizzeys 14y ago

shardling 14y ago
Did she? I just read the entire post, and I disagree. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... It certainly exists within the context of gender issues at a tech conference, but she didn't even go so far as to label the jokes sexist -- just something that would make some women uncomfortable. (Which is obviously true, given her response!)
- ensignavenger 14y ago
  Yes, she did- "this wasn't the first time that day I had to address this issue around harassment and gender." She clearly states in her blog she felt it involved "harassment and gender", which is often referred to as sexism.
  - vacri 14y ago
    She also projects her own fantasy onto a little girl, apropos of nothing, already proclaiming the girls career in tech dead in the water. She did the right thing by notifying conference staff and letting them handle it. She did the wrong thing by naming and shaming on twitter. The blog post reads like a mix of real event and revisionism to stem angry internetters. Still, it's a storm in a teacup - who's to say the same guy wasn't on the verge of being let go for other reasons anyway? It's presumptuous to assuming his firing was solely because of this single event.
- geekam 14y ago
  I think there are tougher but better ways to deal with the issue (like facing the two men) than to hide behind your twitter followers.
  - shardling 14y ago
    She "hid" by directly notifying the conference organizers through twitter. You can make the claim that it shouldn't have been done in public; you can't exactly also argue that she was hiding.
    - MikeAmelung 14y ago
      She was hiding in real life, while being a "badass" on the internet. I think I'm going to open a bait shop myself, and call it "Big Dongles."
      - pyre 14y ago
        So, people that are uncomfortable with direct confrontation are only allowed to 'sit down and shut up?'
        geekam 14y ago
        No. Instead of posting someone's photo (and other's along with that) on the web confront them. If they do not apologize or shut up in shame, move to authorities. Authorities at Pycon did help her, didn't they?
        pyre 14y ago
        | Instead of posting someone's photo (and other's | along with that) on the web confront them Your plan of action for someone "uncomfortable with direct confrontation" is to "confront them." Logic! [ She should have just gone to (or messaged) the PyCon staff first to resolve the situation. ]
        geekam 14y ago
        She turned around, smiled and took their photograph. She can do that and not confront them about the lewd remarks? Though, I understand that it is tough for women to confront in a massively male-dominated arena. I think this fiasco is likely to at least have men straighten their ways that they cannot make sex jokes in a public place.

She didn't use the exact word 'sexism', but her blog post very much made it out to be a sexism issue.

by pizzeys 14y ago

She didn't use the exact word 'sexism', but her blog post very much made it out to be a sexism issue.

Did she? I just read the entire post, and I disagree. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... It certainly exists within the context of gender issues at a tech conference, but she didn't even go so far as to label the jokes sexist -- just something that would make some women uncomfortable. (Which is obviously true, given her response!)

ensignavenger 14y ago
Yes, she did- "this wasn't the first time that day I had to address this issue around harassment and gender." She clearly states in her blog she felt it involved "harassment and gender", which is often referred to as sexism.
- vacri 14y ago
  She also projects her own fantasy onto a little girl, apropos of nothing, already proclaiming the girls career in tech dead in the water. She did the right thing by notifying conference staff and letting them handle it. She did the wrong thing by naming and shaming on twitter. The blog post reads like a mix of real event and revisionism to stem angry internetters. Still, it's a storm in a teacup - who's to say the same guy wasn't on the verge of being let go for other reasons anyway? It's presumptuous to assuming his firing was solely because of this single event.
geekam 14y ago
I think there are tougher but better ways to deal with the issue (like facing the two men) than to hide behind your twitter followers.
- shardling 14y ago
  She "hid" by directly notifying the conference organizers through twitter. You can make the claim that it shouldn't have been done in public; you can't exactly also argue that she was hiding.
  - MikeAmelung 14y ago
    She was hiding in real life, while being a "badass" on the internet. I think I'm going to open a bait shop myself, and call it "Big Dongles."
    - pyre 14y ago
      So, people that are uncomfortable with direct confrontation are only allowed to 'sit down and shut up?'
      - geekam 14y ago
        No. Instead of posting someone's photo (and other's along with that) on the web confront them. If they do not apologize or shut up in shame, move to authorities. Authorities at Pycon did help her, didn't they?
        pyre 14y ago
        | Instead of posting someone's photo (and other's | along with that) on the web confront them Your plan of action for someone "uncomfortable with direct confrontation" is to "confront them." Logic! [ She should have just gone to (or messaged) the PyCon staff first to resolve the situation. ]
      - geekam 14y ago
        She turned around, smiled and took their photograph. She can do that and not confront them about the lewd remarks? Though, I understand that it is tough for women to confront in a massively male-dominated arena. I think this fiasco is likely to at least have men straighten their ways that they cannot make sex jokes in a public place.