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Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences? I have never heard of such ridiculous drama at C++ conferences for example. There seems to be a curi

by copx 14y ago

Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences? I have never heard of such ridiculous drama at C++ conferences for example. There seems to be a curious link between programming languages and culture. I mean people interested in Python can obviously start a major drama over a harmless juvenile comment like that. I remember seeing Andrei Alexandrescu (of C++ and D fame) joke about the double meaning of the term "pussy programmer" at a conference. Now that was way more "sexist".. but there was no drama. EDIT: To make it clear, he did that during an interview, in front of the camera!

PommeDeTerre 14y ago
While incidents like this are common at Ruby conferences, this is actually exceedingly rare to see within the Python community. The Python community is generally much more like the C++, Java and .NET communities, where professionalism and a lack of drama are the norm. My suspicion is that at least some of the people involved here may not really be part of the Python community in any sense, but were merely just attendees at one of the largest and most prominent Python conferences. The "About" page[1] of the blog of one of the individuals involved doesn't currently mention Python once, but does list "Build a Ruby App for something I’m passionate about" as a "Life Goal", and lists "RailsConf" under the "Speaking Events" section. There's also a video entitled "I’m ready to start programming Ruby on Rails" shown on the "Videos" page[2], but none about Python. The "Speaking" page[3] lists "Instructor for RailsBridge Outreach Workshop For Women" at "SFRuby", but again I don't see anything having to do with Python. All of this indicates a much closer relationship with the Ruby community, and essentially none with the Python community. I think that the Python community, and PyCon, may be the real victims here. They've been unjustly dragged into an incident involving at least one person who does not seem to be part of the Python community, and have suffered undeserved reputation damage as a result of this incident. [1] http://butyoureagirl.com/about/ http://butyoureagirl.com/about/ [2] http://butyoureagirl.com/videos/ http://butyoureagirl.com/videos/ [3] http://butyoureagirl.com/speaking/ http://butyoureagirl.com/speaking/
vellum 14y ago
There are less women at C++ conferences. http://boostcon.boost.org/photos/ http://boostcon.boost.org/photos/
_pmf_ 14y ago
> Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences? A cynic observer might say this is because you don't see that many juvenile 'superstar' dickheads and no education-free 'tech evangelists' at, say, an embedded development conference.

by copx 14y ago

PommeDeTerre 14y ago

While incidents like this are common at Ruby conferences, this is actually exceedingly rare to see within the Python community. The Python community is generally much more like the C++, Java and .NET communities, where professionalism and a lack of drama are the norm. My suspicion is that at least some of the people involved here may not really be part of the Python community in any sense, but were merely just attendees at one of the largest and most prominent Python conferences. The "About" page[1] of the blog of one of the individuals involved doesn't currently mention Python once, but does list "Build a Ruby App for something I’m passionate about" as a "Life Goal", and lists "RailsConf" under the "Speaking Events" section. There's also a video entitled "I’m ready to start programming Ruby on Rails" shown on the "Videos" page[2], but none about Python. The "Speaking" page[3] lists "Instructor for RailsBridge Outreach Workshop For Women" at "SFRuby", but again I don't see anything having to do with Python. All of this indicates a much closer relationship with the Ruby community, and essentially none with the Python community. I think that the Python community, and PyCon, may be the real victims here. They've been unjustly dragged into an incident involving at least one person who does not seem to be part of the Python community, and have suffered undeserved reputation damage as a result of this incident. [1] http://butyoureagirl.com/about/ http://butyoureagirl.com/about/ [2] http://butyoureagirl.com/videos/ http://butyoureagirl.com/videos/ [3] http://butyoureagirl.com/speaking/ http://butyoureagirl.com/speaking/

vellum 14y ago

There are less women at C++ conferences. http://boostcon.boost.org/photos/ http://boostcon.boost.org/photos/

_pmf_ 14y ago

> Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences? A cynic observer might say this is because you don't see that many juvenile 'superstar' dickheads and no education-free 'tech evangelists' at, say, an embedded development conference.