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What's confusing to me is that it is unclear exactly what comments were made. Something about "forking" repositories and big dongles. It would be much easier to
by ErrantX 14y ago
What's confusing to me is that it is unclear exactly what comments were made. Something about "forking" repositories and big dongles. It would be much easier to take a "side" if this were made clearer.... (one reason I'm not outright defending Adria here is that she is very specific in some details in her post, but when it comes to the actual jokes made she appears deliberately vague).
What's wrong with lewd comments, in ''general''? Men and women make them all the time, even in professional contexts. I had to suffer a summer working in an office with 90% female staff and some of the conversations there.. well, I learned a lot! One woman there spent a substantial amount of time lecturing me (aged 17) about how men could benefit from using feminine hygiene products to keep our junk smelling nice. And, yes, I've been in offices where I've cringed at some of the comments made by guys in the presence of girls.
The point is: in specific lewd behaviour isn't good, and perhaps these guys were crossing the line by having their jokes in such a public venue.
But the heat here is ridiculous, from both "sides". And is really rather detracting from core gender issues.
Every industry has sexism issues. I've worked in a few different jobs and seen this; and it works both ways. Some jobs are hell for women, some are hell for men. It's a broad societal issue that isn't helped by witch hunts, either against these guys or against Adria.
- anigbrowl 14y agoI too find the vagueness troubling. The incident she described earlier in the day (describing a lame joke involving skirts) was described in much more detail, making it far easier to understand what was said and how offensive and discomfiting it must have been. The later incident (involving talk of dongles) may have been equally offensive, or it may have been nothing more than banter/wordplay. I really can't tell, and wonder why this important context is absent.