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I'm sorry if some women are totally screwing up your bro culture, but I think that's actually the point.

tn13 14y ago
The point is why cant we expect the women to adjust to the realities of the world? Wherever there are girls they are going to talk about other girls and their shoes and that sorta stuff which I might find offensive and wherever there are men they are going to talk about sex. I don't see why women take an offense to that. No one is cracking a joke on her or asking her to participate in the joke. I would rather have a sexist but cohesive team rather than a politically correct non-cohesive team. We need more and more productive people in the business, whether they are men, women or trans does not matter. People like the lady in question in my opinion are hurdle to building good teams. I expect Sendgrid to say something about the conduct of their employee.
- djcapelis 14y ago
  > The point is why cant we expect the women to adjust to the realities of the world? Why can't you adjust to the realities of the world where the view that women should just deal with whatever crap that exists in tech seems like a pretty terrible idea? Why can't you adjust to the reality that this means tech loses out on a lot of talent? Why can't you adjust to the reality that if you want to hire good talent, you need to provide an environment where they'll actually feel comfortable instead of demanding/expecting them to "adjust"? > I expect Sendgrid to say something about the conduct of their employee. For a bunch of reasons, I don't and I'm fine with that.
  - tn13 14y ago
    >you need to provide an environment where they'll actually feel comfortable instead of demanding/expecting them to "adjust" You are only repeating what I said but from the other side of the shore. I have an all male team that is working perfectly fine for me. I have provided them an environment where they feel comfortable and they are productive. If a women enters the team AND she is not comfortable with my rest of the team's habits I would rather ask her to leave than to ask the rest of the team to adjust. For two reasons 1. It is the most optimal solution. 2. Secondly, because I don't even know if the girl I have hired is good enough for that. >whatever crap that exists in tech Just because you think something is crap does not make it crap. > tech loses out on a lot of talent The PyCon had only 20% women folks that too after a lot of efforts taken especially to increase that number. Is 20% really lot of talent for you ? (I am only using PyCon figures as a rough estimate here). All my arguments are perfectly applicable when you juxtapose the genders. I will not ask my all female team to adjust because the newly hired male member might feel uncomfortable. We should optimize out work environments for productivity and not gender equality.

tn13 14y ago

The point is why cant we expect the women to adjust to the realities of the world? Wherever there are girls they are going to talk about other girls and their shoes and that sorta stuff which I might find offensive and wherever there are men they are going to talk about sex. I don't see why women take an offense to that. No one is cracking a joke on her or asking her to participate in the joke. I would rather have a sexist but cohesive team rather than a politically correct non-cohesive team. We need more and more productive people in the business, whether they are men, women or trans does not matter. People like the lady in question in my opinion are hurdle to building good teams. I expect Sendgrid to say something about the conduct of their employee.

djcapelis 14y ago
> The point is why cant we expect the women to adjust to the realities of the world? Why can't you adjust to the realities of the world where the view that women should just deal with whatever crap that exists in tech seems like a pretty terrible idea? Why can't you adjust to the reality that this means tech loses out on a lot of talent? Why can't you adjust to the reality that if you want to hire good talent, you need to provide an environment where they'll actually feel comfortable instead of demanding/expecting them to "adjust"? > I expect Sendgrid to say something about the conduct of their employee. For a bunch of reasons, I don't and I'm fine with that.
- tn13 14y ago
  >you need to provide an environment where they'll actually feel comfortable instead of demanding/expecting them to "adjust" You are only repeating what I said but from the other side of the shore. I have an all male team that is working perfectly fine for me. I have provided them an environment where they feel comfortable and they are productive. If a women enters the team AND she is not comfortable with my rest of the team's habits I would rather ask her to leave than to ask the rest of the team to adjust. For two reasons 1. It is the most optimal solution. 2. Secondly, because I don't even know if the girl I have hired is good enough for that. >whatever crap that exists in tech Just because you think something is crap does not make it crap. > tech loses out on a lot of talent The PyCon had only 20% women folks that too after a lot of efforts taken especially to increase that number. Is 20% really lot of talent for you ? (I am only using PyCon figures as a rough estimate here). All my arguments are perfectly applicable when you juxtapose the genders. I will not ask my all female team to adjust because the newly hired male member might feel uncomfortable. We should optimize out work environments for productivity and not gender equality.