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It went further than that, though. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/fork

by blhack 14y ago

It went further than that, though. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont...

sp332 14y ago
This gives a lot of context and was very helpful, thank you.
ubasu 14y ago
From this article: "I saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop. I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so." Seems a tad melodramatic as a reaction to a private conversation. Seems to go with the Joan-of-Arc complex: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313442430848487424 https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313442430848487424
- ajross 14y ago
  From the same blog post you just quoted: > I agreed with [the guy behind me] ... He said he would be interested in forking the repo [...] That would have been fine until the guy next to him... began making sexual forking jokes I don't see how that constitutes a private conversation. The joke was apparently interjected into a discussion she was already part of. Now, I still don't think the "public shaming" attempt was a good idea, and I certainly wouldn't support firing the guy (if that actually happened; again, no evidence at hand!). But I'm seeing the anti-Adria crowd here really bending over backwards to make this her fault. I think it's entirely reasonable to be offended by this, nor is it unreasonable to tweet or blog about it. That she got a little too hot-headed and posted a picture seems to be all anyone wants to talk about.
  - ubasu 14y ago
    She says: "I agreed with him so I turned around and said so." So she interjected herself into this private conversation, and it is not clear if the other guy's allegedly sexist comments were to her in response to what she said, or if they were just directed to his friend privately.
  - dsmithn 14y ago
    > That she got a little too hot-headed and posted a picture seems to be all anyone wants to talk about. Because that's what got the guy fired. If she had just posted a tweet complaining, or just made a blog post talking about how those kinds of comments were offensive, people would have learned but nobody's life would have been ruined. Instead she choose to post their picture online AND continue to make a big deal about it. That's a personal vendetta.
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sylvinus 14y ago
Cross-posting my held-in-moderation comment to her post here: "I calculated my next steps." => I'm sorry but that just feels wrong. You actively tried to harm these guys (and succeeded). I'm pretty sure they weren't "calculating" their bad jokes to hurt your feelings. Instead of an absurdly long post you should probably just have mentioned their bad taste, apologised for getting somebody fired and tried to resolve this issue as peacefully as possible instead of blowing it up. No, the future of programming wasn't on the line yesterday. Yes, you made yourself heard but in way that (so far) has only done harm to this community.
- sp332 14y ago
  Thinking before you act is a good idea. As she mentioned, she didn't feel like part of the community so it's not really her job to police the event. Her description of the organizers' reaction seems pretty OK. I don't see how she can be held responsible for a guy being fired, that seems like an overreaction by the company.
raphman 14y ago
Am I the only one who gets a CloudFlare captcha (from two completely different German IP addresses ) when trying to access the blog? Your IP address based on the country, region or network has been flagged by the website owner. Completing the challenge above proves you are a human and gives you temporary access. You can ask the website owner to permanently whitelist you.
- rdl 14y ago
  I also got one. I think it's just ddos right now from everywhere.
  - grogenaut 14y ago
    I think it's just the much lauded cloud flare showing their true colors.
    - rdl 14y ago
      Indeed -- defending a blog (effectively, and for free) against a moderate DDoS :)
      - jessaustin 14y ago
        I'm not so sure how effective their defense is: I get a memory error on that page now.
GHFigs 14y ago
I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so. I'm finding it hard to reconcile this with the idea that women as a group aren't weak and in need of white knight protectors. It sounds more like she was personally offended yet wanted "to be a hero", where elsewhere she recognizes that "It takes three words to make a difference:“That’s not cool.”" I can sympathize with being uncertain about how to react to a situation when people are being rude, and it's often overlooked that calm personal confrontation is actually very difficult. But I think a good heuristic would be to save the heroics for when you meet a villain--and that doesn't seem to be the case here. Most rude people are just oblivious and too comfortable to suspect that people around them aren't.

by blhack 14y ago

It went further than that, though. http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont...

sp332 14y ago

This gives a lot of context and was very helpful, thank you.

ubasu 14y ago

From this article: "I saw a photo on main stage of a little girl who had been in the Young Coders workshop. I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so." Seems a tad melodramatic as a reaction to a private conversation. Seems to go with the Joan-of-Arc complex: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313442430848487424 https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313442430848487424

ajross 14y ago
From the same blog post you just quoted: > I agreed with [the guy behind me] ... He said he would be interested in forking the repo [...] That would have been fine until the guy next to him... began making sexual forking jokes I don't see how that constitutes a private conversation. The joke was apparently interjected into a discussion she was already part of. Now, I still don't think the "public shaming" attempt was a good idea, and I certainly wouldn't support firing the guy (if that actually happened; again, no evidence at hand!). But I'm seeing the anti-Adria crowd here really bending over backwards to make this her fault. I think it's entirely reasonable to be offended by this, nor is it unreasonable to tweet or blog about it. That she got a little too hot-headed and posted a picture seems to be all anyone wants to talk about.
- ubasu 14y ago
  She says: "I agreed with him so I turned around and said so." So she interjected herself into this private conversation, and it is not clear if the other guy's allegedly sexist comments were to her in response to what she said, or if they were just directed to his friend privately.
- dsmithn 14y ago
  > That she got a little too hot-headed and posted a picture seems to be all anyone wants to talk about. Because that's what got the guy fired. If she had just posted a tweet complaining, or just made a blog post talking about how those kinds of comments were offensive, people would have learned but nobody's life would have been ruined. Instead she choose to post their picture online AND continue to make a big deal about it. That's a personal vendetta.
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sylvinus 14y ago

Cross-posting my held-in-moderation comment to her post here: "I calculated my next steps." => I'm sorry but that just feels wrong. You actively tried to harm these guys (and succeeded). I'm pretty sure they weren't "calculating" their bad jokes to hurt your feelings. Instead of an absurdly long post you should probably just have mentioned their bad taste, apologised for getting somebody fired and tried to resolve this issue as peacefully as possible instead of blowing it up. No, the future of programming wasn't on the line yesterday. Yes, you made yourself heard but in way that (so far) has only done harm to this community.

sp332 14y ago
Thinking before you act is a good idea. As she mentioned, she didn't feel like part of the community so it's not really her job to police the event. Her description of the organizers' reaction seems pretty OK. I don't see how she can be held responsible for a guy being fired, that seems like an overreaction by the company.

raphman 14y ago

Am I the only one who gets a CloudFlare captcha (from two completely different German IP addresses ) when trying to access the blog? Your IP address based on the country, region or network has been flagged by the website owner. Completing the challenge above proves you are a human and gives you temporary access. You can ask the website owner to permanently whitelist you.

rdl 14y ago
I also got one. I think it's just ddos right now from everywhere.
- grogenaut 14y ago
  I think it's just the much lauded cloud flare showing their true colors.
  - rdl 14y ago
    Indeed -- defending a blog (effectively, and for free) against a moderate DDoS :)
    - jessaustin 14y ago
      I'm not so sure how effective their defense is: I get a memory error on that page now.

GHFigs 14y ago

I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so. I'm finding it hard to reconcile this with the idea that women as a group aren't weak and in need of white knight protectors. It sounds more like she was personally offended yet wanted "to be a hero", where elsewhere she recognizes that "It takes three words to make a difference:“That’s not cool.”" I can sympathize with being uncertain about how to react to a situation when people are being rude, and it's often overlooked that calm personal confrontation is actually very difficult. But I think a good heuristic would be to save the heroics for when you meet a villain--and that doesn't seem to be the case here. Most rude people are just oblivious and too comfortable to suspect that people around them aren't.