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I have been following the ember.js community for awhile and also trek. It's this attitude that makes me never want to use ember.js. If you check out his twitt

I have been following the ember.js community for awhile and also trek. It's this attitude that makes me never want to use ember.js. If you check out his twitter account, you can see countless battles with new people just getting into ember. If you want someone to use your framework, it shouldn't be a verbal battle of passive aggressiveness and other childish antics. He is doing a disservice to the community and the framework.

jackmaney 14y ago
"It's this attitude that makes me never want to use ember.js." Agreed. In fact, I suspect I'll never end up using it, now.
- pekk 14y ago
  I'm sympathetic. There is nothing you can do in open source which will not result in a political response. Before, I had no interest in ember.js. Today I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Because so many people are trying to bury it, for some reason which has nothing to do with technical concerns.
- ryderm 14y ago
  While I totally agree that developers actions can be a turn off for using a library/framework/whatever, it also reminds me of political scandals. Just because person A cheated on his wife (or something similar) doesn't mean that his policies were not good.
  - paulhauggis 14y ago
    The problem is that the community is a big part of a framework/language/library these days. If I have an issue and I need some help, I will first go to the community if I can't figure it out myself. If I feel like it's just going to be met with someone personally attacking me because I don't agree with their practices, I will just find another community (and framework/library). It's funny because I've seen some of the same sort of issues with the Ruby community...and Trek is part of that community too. I don't see nearly as much of this in other communities and I often wonder if it's because of the leadership/certain type of culture that the community is built upon.
- scottcanoni 14y ago
  I couldn't agree more. Thanks but no thanks. I hope that was a civil response.

jackmaney 14y ago

"It's this attitude that makes me never want to use ember.js." Agreed. In fact, I suspect I'll never end up using it, now.

pekk 14y ago
I'm sympathetic. There is nothing you can do in open source which will not result in a political response. Before, I had no interest in ember.js. Today I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Because so many people are trying to bury it, for some reason which has nothing to do with technical concerns.
ryderm 14y ago
While I totally agree that developers actions can be a turn off for using a library/framework/whatever, it also reminds me of political scandals. Just because person A cheated on his wife (or something similar) doesn't mean that his policies were not good.
- paulhauggis 14y ago
  The problem is that the community is a big part of a framework/language/library these days. If I have an issue and I need some help, I will first go to the community if I can't figure it out myself. If I feel like it's just going to be met with someone personally attacking me because I don't agree with their practices, I will just find another community (and framework/library). It's funny because I've seen some of the same sort of issues with the Ruby community...and Trek is part of that community too. I don't see nearly as much of this in other communities and I often wonder if it's because of the leadership/certain type of culture that the community is built upon.
scottcanoni 14y ago
I couldn't agree more. Thanks but no thanks. I hope that was a civil response.