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They'll just tell him that he should fix his CSS (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/gKJkXcWYpLI https

by ecaron 14y ago

They'll just tell him that he should fix his CSS (https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/gKJkXcWYpLI https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/microsoft...). The only thing publicly announcing a MSIE bug will do is subject the author to ceaseless attacks from "you're either with us or against us" Internet Explorer fans (speaking from personal experience.)

mkr-hn 14y ago
2013 Microsoft seems to be trying hard not to be 2009 Microsoft. Might be worth another shot.
- Piskvorrr 14y ago
  I'd say "2013 Microsoft is trying hard to seem not to be 2009 Microsoft." Same words, but what a difference!
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    I've taken a second look at some MS products in the last couple of years. There's tangible improvement, to the point where I don't use what I used before in some cases. I switched to Bing from Google, and switched to Live Office (the free edition) from Google Docs. Google only wins in accessibility--I can reach everything easily from one place. That's where MS has a lot of room for improvement. I would consider paying the $5/month for Office 365 if Google ever took away my free domain email hosting.
ygra 14y ago
I don't see any MS employees answering there. Or don't they say so when answering on the newsgroups?
paul9290 14y ago
sorry but your company's browsers have caused many web devs to spend hours making their work look correctly in various IEs. Nowadays there are frameworks like HTML5 boilerplate that help us along, but not so long ago it was extremely painful. Worse are MS email clients even the most recent one which uses the MS Word engine to render html emails. Further, if you want to create an innovative web app for mobile and desktop there is a ton more effort and work that needs to go in it if you want to reach the IE audience. It may not even work at all even after trying to get it to work - uggh!
woodchuck64 14y ago
"While it would be nice for IE to not get stuck like this, it would be much better for HTML authors to take a little more time and not put badly formatted junk into their sites." Wow. Just... wow.

by ecaron 14y ago

mkr-hn 14y ago

2013 Microsoft seems to be trying hard not to be 2009 Microsoft. Might be worth another shot.

Piskvorrr 14y ago
I'd say "2013 Microsoft is trying hard to seem not to be 2009 Microsoft." Same words, but what a difference!
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  I've taken a second look at some MS products in the last couple of years. There's tangible improvement, to the point where I don't use what I used before in some cases. I switched to Bing from Google, and switched to Live Office (the free edition) from Google Docs. Google only wins in accessibility--I can reach everything easily from one place. That's where MS has a lot of room for improvement. I would consider paying the $5/month for Office 365 if Google ever took away my free domain email hosting.

ygra 14y ago

I don't see any MS employees answering there. Or don't they say so when answering on the newsgroups?

paul9290 14y ago

sorry but your company's browsers have caused many web devs to spend hours making their work look correctly in various IEs. Nowadays there are frameworks like HTML5 boilerplate that help us along, but not so long ago it was extremely painful. Worse are MS email clients even the most recent one which uses the MS Word engine to render html emails. Further, if you want to create an innovative web app for mobile and desktop there is a ton more effort and work that needs to go in it if you want to reach the IE audience. It may not even work at all even after trying to get it to work - uggh!

woodchuck64 14y ago

"While it would be nice for IE to not get stuck like this, it would be much better for HTML authors to take a little more time and not put badly formatted junk into their sites." Wow. Just... wow.