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Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now?

by n09n 14y ago

setrofim_ 14y ago
I think what's sad here is not the desire for the respect of one's peers, but the means chosen to attain it; or rather, the arbitrarily-established mechanisms for doing so.
- Gravityloss 14y ago
  She should change her friends.
doctorstupid 14y ago
Wanting respect is fine, but not respect based upon the size of an arbitrary stone.
- n09n 14y ago
  What's worse about that than any other silly thing to respect someone for?
darkarmani 14y ago
> Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now? Wanting superficial respect based on material things is sad.
- n09n 14y ago
  Why do you care what the respect is based on? What differentiates "superficial" respect from genuine respect? I guarantee you the criteria you use to judge people look equally ridiculous to other people too.
  - scarmig 14y ago
    What's your point, exactly? Slaveholders and abolitionists certainly chose to respect different people in the 19th century. That doesn't change the fact that slaveholders who judged people based on how large their plantation was were horrible people not worthy of our respect. And to drive the point home: those diamonds you see in rings have a non-negligible chance of coming from child slaves, who have been torn from their families in civil war and will probably be setting off land mines once the diamond mines run out. I actively disrespect the choice to purchase them.
    - n09n 14y ago
      The point is not about who you should or should not respect. The point is that other people are going to respect certain aspects in people that you don't agree with, and it's silly to say that respect is not real just because you don't agree with its motivations. It's the same reason we don't like c# developers who say that python devs aren't real programmers.
  - darkarmani 14y ago
    Are you from debeers or did are you someone who bought a huge rock for their wife? > What differentiates "superficial" respect from genuine respect? This question is quite telling.
    - n09n 14y ago
      Do you honestly believe that you are so obviously correct, anyone who disagrees with you must only be doing it because they are financially invested in presenting that way?
Nursie 14y ago
Respect for something you are or something you do is not the same as respect for something you buy.
- vadman 14y ago
  Not sure why you got downvoted. There is an interesting couple of articles on the subject here: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian.html http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_... http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian_1.html http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_...
  - Nursie 14y ago
    I'm not sure either. Weird. I found it quite hard to extract anything from those articles. I think what it's trying to say is that if the ring becomes an issue then the relationship may be far from perfect anyway.
    - vadman 14y ago
      The main thing I took away was in this passage: "you prove to me I'm worth it. ...make me know how valuable I am. Because I don't have any idea..." But then, I don't see how she'll be satisfied with any ring. Surely if a guy could sacrifice this much he could sacrifice just a bit more - so she may not be that valuable to him. I don't even want to start thinking about a guy who can afford a bigger rock suddenly showing up :D Basically, the moral of the story, for me, was: 1) Avoid women who don't know their worth and require external confirmations; 2) Develop your own sense of self-worth by doing something worthwhile, then finding a like-minded woman would be easier. I think.
- n09n 14y ago
  Earning money and buying things with it is something you do, no less than climbing a mountain or writing a play.
  - 14y ago
glenntzke 14y ago
It's important to think about how this is a product of the people with whom one surround oneself. I think my SO would be happy with an alternative stone (or perhaps no stone at all!) and that's because her and my friends largely aren't the type to ogle a ring, a watch, or a car. Friends that do fancy material things are able to recognize it and laugh at their own materialistic tendencies because they are the outliers in our circles. Watches are cool but experiences are cooler (plus my g-shock from '98 happily survives the abuse travel and hobbies give it). Now, we aren't a couple that will settle for tying human hair around our fingers and calling it a wedding band, but I sure as hell won't be spending 20 grand on a rock. And my friends will happily accept the free rounds that savings can cover over the next xx years.
- RougeFemme 14y ago
  Exactly. If you aren't into those sorts of symbols, odds are the friends you select aren't, either. None of my friends had diamonds - including me - and none of the rest of us cared, one way or the other.

Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now?

by n09n 14y ago

Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now?

I think what's sad here is not the desire for the respect of one's peers, but the means chosen to attain it; or rather, the arbitrarily-established mechanisms for doing so.

Gravityloss 14y ago
She should change her friends.

doctorstupid 14y ago

Wanting respect is fine, but not respect based upon the size of an arbitrary stone.

n09n 14y ago
What's worse about that than any other silly thing to respect someone for?

darkarmani 14y ago

> Wanting the respect of others in your peer group is sad now? Wanting superficial respect based on material things is sad.

n09n 14y ago
Why do you care what the respect is based on? What differentiates "superficial" respect from genuine respect? I guarantee you the criteria you use to judge people look equally ridiculous to other people too.
- scarmig 14y ago
  What's your point, exactly? Slaveholders and abolitionists certainly chose to respect different people in the 19th century. That doesn't change the fact that slaveholders who judged people based on how large their plantation was were horrible people not worthy of our respect. And to drive the point home: those diamonds you see in rings have a non-negligible chance of coming from child slaves, who have been torn from their families in civil war and will probably be setting off land mines once the diamond mines run out. I actively disrespect the choice to purchase them.
  - n09n 14y ago
    The point is not about who you should or should not respect. The point is that other people are going to respect certain aspects in people that you don't agree with, and it's silly to say that respect is not real just because you don't agree with its motivations. It's the same reason we don't like c# developers who say that python devs aren't real programmers.
- darkarmani 14y ago
  Are you from debeers or did are you someone who bought a huge rock for their wife? > What differentiates "superficial" respect from genuine respect? This question is quite telling.
  - n09n 14y ago
    Do you honestly believe that you are so obviously correct, anyone who disagrees with you must only be doing it because they are financially invested in presenting that way?

Nursie 14y ago

Respect for something you are or something you do is not the same as respect for something you buy.

vadman 14y ago
Not sure why you got downvoted. There is an interesting couple of articles on the subject here: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian.html http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_... http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian_1.html http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_...
- Nursie 14y ago
  I'm not sure either. Weird. I found it quite hard to extract anything from those articles. I think what it's trying to say is that if the ring becomes an issue then the relationship may be far from perfect anyway.
  - vadman 14y ago
    The main thing I took away was in this passage: "you prove to me I'm worth it. ...make me know how valuable I am. Because I don't have any idea..." But then, I don't see how she'll be satisfied with any ring. Surely if a guy could sacrifice this much he could sacrifice just a bit more - so she may not be that valuable to him. I don't even want to start thinking about a guy who can afford a bigger rock suddenly showing up :D Basically, the moral of the story, for me, was: 1) Avoid women who don't know their worth and require external confirmations; 2) Develop your own sense of self-worth by doing something worthwhile, then finding a like-minded woman would be easier. I think.
n09n 14y ago
Earning money and buying things with it is something you do, no less than climbing a mountain or writing a play.
- 14y ago

glenntzke 14y ago

It's important to think about how this is a product of the people with whom one surround oneself. I think my SO would be happy with an alternative stone (or perhaps no stone at all!) and that's because her and my friends largely aren't the type to ogle a ring, a watch, or a car. Friends that do fancy material things are able to recognize it and laugh at their own materialistic tendencies because they are the outliers in our circles. Watches are cool but experiences are cooler (plus my g-shock from '98 happily survives the abuse travel and hobbies give it). Now, we aren't a couple that will settle for tying human hair around our fingers and calling it a wedding band, but I sure as hell won't be spending 20 grand on a rock. And my friends will happily accept the free rounds that savings can cover over the next xx years.

RougeFemme 14y ago
Exactly. If you aren't into those sorts of symbols, odds are the friends you select aren't, either. None of my friends had diamonds - including me - and none of the rest of us cared, one way or the other.