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> Pregnancy and childbirth is a barbaric process Seriously? I guess this just shows one aspect of how screwed up our modern society is.

by YZF 14y ago

rayiner 14y ago
Have you ever been pregnant or had a child? It's 9 months of misery punctuated by 12 hours of stress and agony, relieved only by the epidural. That's followed by weeks of pain and bleeding, and major bodily changes of various degrees of permanence (stretched out abdominal muscles, stretched out hips). Oh, and post-partum depression. And that's if you're lucky. Childbirth can last way longer than 12 hours, it can involve vaginal tearing that requires reconstructive surgery (not uncommon), and is ultimately the most life-threatening and risky thing your average person will ever do. Yeah, it's "magical" and whatnot, but my wife would rather be water-boarded than be pregnant again.
- YZF 14y ago
  My wife really enjoyed the experience. We had a home birth. No epidural. Two kids. It is a life changing experience for both wife and husband. It's part of life. Life isn't a video game. It's not a synthetic experience. Some people may prefer to be a brain in a jar hooked to some wires but then where would they put the diamond ring? :-)
  - rayiner 14y ago
    My wife is a zealot in the anti home birth holy war so I'm going to just express my happiness that yours found it enjoyable and slowly walk away from the keyboard.
    - lostlogin 14y ago
      yeah, usually there are provoking stories on both side. I work in a radiology department that has a strong obstetric focus, and obviously that leads to a particular view. I hope her reasons don't have too much trauma behind them, but suspect they do.
- WildUtah 14y ago
  Driving a car is a lot more dangerous than birth. And most of us do that. But, yes, giving birth can involve complications.
  - lostlogin 14y ago
    This is a poor statement I feel. How is it more dangerous? You drive once, and have a baby once, one for once the giving birth is vastly more dangerous. Historical average death rate for the mother alone would approach 10%, and in 3rd world countries, it is still over 1%. For driving the death rate is something like 20 per 100,000, or as a better measure, something number of tens or hundreds of millions of KM of driving per death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-re...

> Pregnancy and childbirth is a barbaric process Seriously? I guess this just shows one aspect of how screwed up our modern society is.

by YZF 14y ago

> Pregnancy and childbirth is a barbaric process Seriously? I guess this just shows one aspect of how screwed up our modern society is.

rayiner 14y ago

Have you ever been pregnant or had a child? It's 9 months of misery punctuated by 12 hours of stress and agony, relieved only by the epidural. That's followed by weeks of pain and bleeding, and major bodily changes of various degrees of permanence (stretched out abdominal muscles, stretched out hips). Oh, and post-partum depression. And that's if you're lucky. Childbirth can last way longer than 12 hours, it can involve vaginal tearing that requires reconstructive surgery (not uncommon), and is ultimately the most life-threatening and risky thing your average person will ever do. Yeah, it's "magical" and whatnot, but my wife would rather be water-boarded than be pregnant again.

YZF 14y ago
My wife really enjoyed the experience. We had a home birth. No epidural. Two kids. It is a life changing experience for both wife and husband. It's part of life. Life isn't a video game. It's not a synthetic experience. Some people may prefer to be a brain in a jar hooked to some wires but then where would they put the diamond ring? :-)
- rayiner 14y ago
  My wife is a zealot in the anti home birth holy war so I'm going to just express my happiness that yours found it enjoyable and slowly walk away from the keyboard.
  - lostlogin 14y ago
    yeah, usually there are provoking stories on both side. I work in a radiology department that has a strong obstetric focus, and obviously that leads to a particular view. I hope her reasons don't have too much trauma behind them, but suspect they do.
WildUtah 14y ago
Driving a car is a lot more dangerous than birth. And most of us do that. But, yes, giving birth can involve complications.
- lostlogin 14y ago
  This is a poor statement I feel. How is it more dangerous? You drive once, and have a baby once, one for once the giving birth is vastly more dangerous. Historical average death rate for the mother alone would approach 10%, and in 3rd world countries, it is still over 1%. For driving the death rate is something like 20 per 100,000, or as a better measure, something number of tens or hundreds of millions of KM of driving per death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-re...