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That's why the content industry pushed for the DMCA and used that in the case of the DeCSS case: DMCA as a mean to protect market protection like DVD region enc

by hub_ 14y ago

That's why the content industry pushed for the DMCA and used that in the case of the DeCSS case: DMCA as a mean to protect market protection like DVD region encoding. The problem with physical books is that they can't do it. The know it, the court knows it.

jlgreco 14y ago
Presumably however this means that buying both your DVDs and your DVD player from another region is now unambiguously legal. (IANAL)
- MacsHeadroom 14y ago
  I'm fairly certain that was always clearly legal.
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Couldn't you say the same of buying books in other countries though?
    - rosser 14y ago
      This case isn't just about buying books elsewhere, though. It's about buying them elsewhere and selling them here.
      - icelancer 14y ago
        Right, it's not consumption but rather distribution.
vilhelm_s 14y ago
That's an interesting point. A major complaint about DMCA has always been that it allows copyright owners to criminalize otherwise legal acts by adding DRM. But the usual examples have always been fair use rights, like making quotations, or researchers and libraries trying to preserve historical documents. Those uses have always been "collateral damage", which the copyright owners didn't wasn't specifically interested in preventing. But with this ruling, it is now clear that the thing that region codes aim to prevent would be completely legal except for the DMCA's circumvention provision. So in some sense, this is a much more blatant example of copyright owners writing their own laws.
spullara 14y ago
This could definitely accelerate the move to non-resaleable ebooks to the detriment of students.
- sk5t 14y ago
  It's my hope that people will continue to find, as I do, that reading books on a screen is a huge handicap to absorbing the material effectively. Programming exercises and whatnot are fine and dandy on a glowing screen, but despite working on computers since 8 years old, my brain demands non-glowing, ink-on-pulp copies for deep thought. Surely I'm not the only one?
  - RougeFemme 14y ago
    No, you're not. I spent the past week helping someone with statistics. As she clicked back-and-forth between her e-book and online homework, I flipped back-and-forth through her hardcopy book, refreshing my memory and guiding her through her homework.

by hub_ 14y ago

jlgreco 14y ago

Presumably however this means that buying both your DVDs and your DVD player from another region is now unambiguously legal. (IANAL)

MacsHeadroom 14y ago
I'm fairly certain that was always clearly legal.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Couldn't you say the same of buying books in other countries though?
  - rosser 14y ago
    This case isn't just about buying books elsewhere, though. It's about buying them elsewhere and selling them here.
    - icelancer 14y ago
      Right, it's not consumption but rather distribution.

vilhelm_s 14y ago

That's an interesting point. A major complaint about DMCA has always been that it allows copyright owners to criminalize otherwise legal acts by adding DRM. But the usual examples have always been fair use rights, like making quotations, or researchers and libraries trying to preserve historical documents. Those uses have always been "collateral damage", which the copyright owners didn't wasn't specifically interested in preventing. But with this ruling, it is now clear that the thing that region codes aim to prevent would be completely legal except for the DMCA's circumvention provision. So in some sense, this is a much more blatant example of copyright owners writing their own laws.

spullara 14y ago

This could definitely accelerate the move to non-resaleable ebooks to the detriment of students.

sk5t 14y ago
It's my hope that people will continue to find, as I do, that reading books on a screen is a huge handicap to absorbing the material effectively. Programming exercises and whatnot are fine and dandy on a glowing screen, but despite working on computers since 8 years old, my brain demands non-glowing, ink-on-pulp copies for deep thought. Surely I'm not the only one?
- RougeFemme 14y ago
  No, you're not. I spent the past week helping someone with statistics. As she clicked back-and-forth between her e-book and online homework, I flipped back-and-forth through her hardcopy book, refreshing my memory and guiding her through her homework.