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Seems to me their 'innovation' machine stopped working long time ago. It was expected though, after all those acquisitions. In reality, I haven't seen anything

by dejan 18y ago

Seems to me their 'innovation' machine stopped working long time ago. It was expected though, after all those acquisitions. In reality, I haven't seen anything 'new', but just 'better'. This could be their way to go through the downturn.. As for us, we've applied at YC, but when I weigh it out, it's not the money that we really need, but guidance. Real costs of doing a startup, in the beginning, cant be a lot more than 100€ per month. If they are, you are simply not an entrepreneur...

ivyirwin 18y ago
Two things: First, I'm not sure Google has ever made anything new. They've always just done it better. And that is a kind of innovation. In fact, I would argue it's the only kind of innovation. Making new things exists on a completely different level. Second, you are right that for start ups the biggest need is guidance. But I balk at your 100/month figure. Cost of living is a cost. Even in the cases when it isn't monetary (say living in your parent's basement), there's an opportunity cost.
- dejan 18y ago
  true. it's incremental innovation. However, they're bad at it too IMHO. Search hasn't changed since they've launched. And even then, they had nothing new..Their new algorithm..blahh. Using microcomputers for search processing. Thats the startup thinking, alright, cut all the costs, do it cheaper, do it better. There is no recipe, but they hit the right time. Thats what they did right, recognize the moment. However, google search sucks, and it sucks badly. Crawlers are as bad as spam. It clogs up. It's inefficient...and Google is too big to do anything about it, it's victim of its own size. There ARE better ways. I miss those days when we pulled hair by trying to save a KB in the mem.. efficiency and efficacy for their own sake. Regarding the 100/month, my starting point is that you've gotta live anyway, regardless where your efforts are. I understand your view, I am trying to change it in self, and found that I approach my business efforts with much higher perseverance... = I am doing it no matter what, and I will find the cheapest way to do it, it's worth it! Good Luck!

by dejan 18y ago

ivyirwin 18y ago

Two things: First, I'm not sure Google has ever made anything new. They've always just done it better. And that is a kind of innovation. In fact, I would argue it's the only kind of innovation. Making new things exists on a completely different level. Second, you are right that for start ups the biggest need is guidance. But I balk at your 100/month figure. Cost of living is a cost. Even in the cases when it isn't monetary (say living in your parent's basement), there's an opportunity cost.

dejan 18y ago
true. it's incremental innovation. However, they're bad at it too IMHO. Search hasn't changed since they've launched. And even then, they had nothing new..Their new algorithm..blahh. Using microcomputers for search processing. Thats the startup thinking, alright, cut all the costs, do it cheaper, do it better. There is no recipe, but they hit the right time. Thats what they did right, recognize the moment. However, google search sucks, and it sucks badly. Crawlers are as bad as spam. It clogs up. It's inefficient...and Google is too big to do anything about it, it's victim of its own size. There ARE better ways. I miss those days when we pulled hair by trying to save a KB in the mem.. efficiency and efficacy for their own sake. Regarding the 100/month, my starting point is that you've gotta live anyway, regardless where your efforts are. I understand your view, I am trying to change it in self, and found that I approach my business efforts with much higher perseverance... = I am doing it no matter what, and I will find the cheapest way to do it, it's worth it! Good Luck!