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Have you looked into System76's machines at all? Right now I am using their Gazelle Professional model (https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 https://www

Have you looked into System76's machines at all? Right now I am using their Gazelle Professional model (https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8 https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8). I have to say it is the best damn laptop I've ever owned and this is coming from a long-time Thinkpad user

wtallis 14y ago
Aren't System76's laptops all just re-branded Clevo machines?
old-gregg 14y ago
I look at them every time I'm shopping for a laptop. They never offer anything comparable to a proper Thinkpad. The laptop you're linking to lacks nearly everything imporant: * No trackpoint * Touchpad buttons are in the wrong place (must be on top, under thumbs) * No IPS display * Keyboard is crippled. Compare to a proper keyboard [1] The #1 and #2 basicaly mean "this laptop has no mouse" Apple-style touchpad is useless for people who type a lot (you can't use them while your hands are in FJ-position). #3 means "cannot work with images with more than 65K colors". [1] Proper keyboard: http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/ea701ff5cd.jpg http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/ea701ff5cd.jpg Things to notice: * Giant "Esc" key * Dedicated forward/backward buttons for browsing * Full-sized Fn keys * Dedicated blocks for navigation keys * Because it's ergonomic, it's not a dumb rectangular shape. Lenovo hates this IBM design because it is more expensive to produce. Also, look at how UltraNav works: you can use the mouse by keeping your hands in a typing position (FJ). This way you can nearly instantaneously replace the previously typed word by using the trackpoint + buttons under your thumbs. This speeds up your typing or coding significantly. This gives Vim/Emacs users superpowers! :) Cheap laptops force you to move your hands a lot to switch between the mouse and keyboard.
- limmeau 14y ago
  I always hated the forward-backward buttons. In Eclipse and VS, I kept hitting them when reaching for Shift or Cursor, and ended up in a different file.
- rplnt 14y ago
  But they have optical disc drives! Where will you play your CDs? Too bad they couldn't fit a VHS drive into the 17" one.

wtallis 14y ago

Aren't System76's laptops all just re-branded Clevo machines?

old-gregg 14y ago

I look at them every time I'm shopping for a laptop. They never offer anything comparable to a proper Thinkpad. The laptop you're linking to lacks nearly everything imporant: * No trackpoint * Touchpad buttons are in the wrong place (must be on top, under thumbs) * No IPS display * Keyboard is crippled. Compare to a proper keyboard [1] The #1 and #2 basicaly mean "this laptop has no mouse" Apple-style touchpad is useless for people who type a lot (you can't use them while your hands are in FJ-position). #3 means "cannot work with images with more than 65K colors". [1] Proper keyboard: http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/ea701ff5cd.jpg http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/ea701ff5cd.jpg Things to notice: * Giant "Esc" key * Dedicated forward/backward buttons for browsing * Full-sized Fn keys * Dedicated blocks for navigation keys * Because it's ergonomic, it's not a dumb rectangular shape. Lenovo hates this IBM design because it is more expensive to produce. Also, look at how UltraNav works: you can use the mouse by keeping your hands in a typing position (FJ). This way you can nearly instantaneously replace the previously typed word by using the trackpoint + buttons under your thumbs. This speeds up your typing or coding significantly. This gives Vim/Emacs users superpowers! :) Cheap laptops force you to move your hands a lot to switch between the mouse and keyboard.

limmeau 14y ago
I always hated the forward-backward buttons. In Eclipse and VS, I kept hitting them when reaching for Shift or Cursor, and ended up in a different file.
rplnt 14y ago
But they have optical disc drives! Where will you play your CDs? Too bad they couldn't fit a VHS drive into the 17" one.