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Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming

13 points by gibsonf1 19y ago

queensnake 19y ago
Oh, come on, don't turn this into a general news site. Save that for Reddit or something.
- gibsonf1 19y ago
  The idea that Global Warming may not be human caused is a radical idea these days, completely non politically correct and disruptive - hence a good candidate for YC news. I don't know anything about the source of this release, but I have read now at least 10+ scientific articles with evidence on the likeliest cause of warming being the Sun, especially given the fact that all the planets in the Solar system are also warming up at the same time (as reported by NASA), and the fact that this pattern has occurred in the past countless times.
  - rms 19y ago
    from what journals?
    - gibsonf1 19y ago
      From the journal Nature: http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Eusoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Eusoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf Quotes from Scafetta, N., and B. J. West, 2006. Phenomenological solar contribution to the 1900-2000 global surface warming. Geophysical Research Letters, doi: 1029/2005GL025539. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/03/21/solar-warming/ http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/03/21/solar... An article from the Telegraph citing some scientists involved in the new Solar findings: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07...
      - brlewis 19y ago
        From the Nature piece: "Solar variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the strong warming during the past three decades." About Scarletta and West: "However, they emphasized that their findings do not argue against the basic theory that significant global warming is occurring because of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases." http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html The Telegraph article is vague. That's an example of why rms asked for journals.
    - Kaizyn 19y ago
      I read that in Michael Crichton's "State of Fear". Isn't that as good as any scientific journal?
    - gibsonf1 19y ago
      Some examples: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50663 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50663
  - Readmore 19y ago
    He's right, NASA has seen the same amount of warming on Mars over the last 50 years as we have experienced here. It doesn't mean that Global Warming isn't really a problem but there might not be anything we can do about it except plan for life afterward. Even if it is man made do you really think a few light bulbs and hybrids are going to make any difference? You can't stop Global Warming at this point, no matter what the cause is.
    - brlewis 19y ago
      He said "all the planets in the solar system." I'd still like to see a citation. Mars warmed for other reasons. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070404-mars-warming.html http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070404-mars-...
    - gibsonf1 19y ago
      From NASA on Mars: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/pressreleases/20031208a.html http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/pressreleases/2003... Warming on Pluto: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.h... Additional links for other Solar System planets: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvj...
aswanson 19y ago
This is just flame fuel. We don't need to go there.
- omouse 19y ago
  Agreed, hopefully an editor removes it soon...and submits it to Reddit to gain some karma!
rms 19y ago
The Hudson Institute = right wing think tank = press release from them is meaningless. Just as long as these guys don't get as much power as the PNAC did, we'll be fine.
- ahsonwardak 19y ago
  You are correct. Always, check your sources: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
- aswanson 19y ago
  The PNAC. I still cannot get over them. A perfect storm they rode, in plain sight, documented. Unbelievable.
  - rms 19y ago
    I find it unbelievable that a bunch of guys whose job was to sit around and write papers were able to hijack the USA and destroy Iraq.
    - aswanson 19y ago
      Also unbelievable was the level of mind control that the public was amenable to. The media cheerleading, people screaming, "Shut up! Support your troops!" All the predictions the objectors had came true, and yet a large segment of the population is still drinking the Kool Aid. Scary.
- youngnh 19y ago
  I hate being mislead as much as the next guy, and the article is depressingly short on citations (probably to rally skeptics to buy the book) but I'll quote Peter Norvig here and say, "do your own research": http://norvig.com/oreskes.html http://norvig.com/oreskes.html I don't care where the ideas come from if they're verifiable.
jgamman 19y ago
in other news, 1000's of professional climatologists have amassed 10's of 1000's of peer-reviewed literature that is consistent with anthropogenic enhanced warming. oh how can i decide who to trust in this crazy world?!! won't someone please just tell me the answer, preferably one that is simple and just plain common sense? i promise i'll believe you if it seems plausible and means i don't have to change the way i view the world...
- jrcapa 19y ago
  one solar explosion affects the earth more than all mankind could ever do.
jrcapa 19y ago
If press release from this right wing institute is meaningless, then I may also say that the New York Times and Time magazine are left wing think thanks and no information from them should be trusted.

13 points by gibsonf1 19y ago

queensnake 19y ago

Oh, come on, don't turn this into a general news site. Save that for Reddit or something.

gibsonf1 19y ago
The idea that Global Warming may not be human caused is a radical idea these days, completely non politically correct and disruptive - hence a good candidate for YC news. I don't know anything about the source of this release, but I have read now at least 10+ scientific articles with evidence on the likeliest cause of warming being the Sun, especially given the fact that all the planets in the Solar system are also warming up at the same time (as reported by NASA), and the fact that this pattern has occurred in the past countless times.
- rms 19y ago
  from what journals?
  - gibsonf1 19y ago
    From the journal Nature: http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Eusoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Eusoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf Quotes from Scafetta, N., and B. J. West, 2006. Phenomenological solar contribution to the 1900-2000 global surface warming. Geophysical Research Letters, doi: 1029/2005GL025539. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/03/21/solar-warming/ http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2006/03/21/solar... An article from the Telegraph citing some scientists involved in the new Solar findings: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07...
    - brlewis 19y ago
      From the Nature piece: "Solar variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the strong warming during the past three decades." About Scarletta and West: "However, they emphasized that their findings do not argue against the basic theory that significant global warming is occurring because of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases." http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html The Telegraph article is vague. That's an example of why rms asked for journals.
  - Kaizyn 19y ago
    I read that in Michael Crichton's "State of Fear". Isn't that as good as any scientific journal?
  - gibsonf1 19y ago
    Some examples: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50663 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50663
- Readmore 19y ago
  He's right, NASA has seen the same amount of warming on Mars over the last 50 years as we have experienced here. It doesn't mean that Global Warming isn't really a problem but there might not be anything we can do about it except plan for life afterward. Even if it is man made do you really think a few light bulbs and hybrids are going to make any difference? You can't stop Global Warming at this point, no matter what the cause is.
  - brlewis 19y ago
    He said "all the planets in the solar system." I'd still like to see a citation. Mars warmed for other reasons. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070404-mars-warming.html http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070404-mars-...
  - gibsonf1 19y ago
    From NASA on Mars: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/pressreleases/20031208a.html http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/pressreleases/2003... Warming on Pluto: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.h... Additional links for other Solar System planets: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvj...

aswanson 19y ago

This is just flame fuel. We don't need to go there.

omouse 19y ago
Agreed, hopefully an editor removes it soon...and submits it to Reddit to gain some karma!

rms 19y ago

The Hudson Institute = right wing think tank = press release from them is meaningless. Just as long as these guys don't get as much power as the PNAC did, we'll be fine.

ahsonwardak 19y ago
You are correct. Always, check your sources: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
aswanson 19y ago
The PNAC. I still cannot get over them. A perfect storm they rode, in plain sight, documented. Unbelievable.
- rms 19y ago
  I find it unbelievable that a bunch of guys whose job was to sit around and write papers were able to hijack the USA and destroy Iraq.
  - aswanson 19y ago
    Also unbelievable was the level of mind control that the public was amenable to. The media cheerleading, people screaming, "Shut up! Support your troops!" All the predictions the objectors had came true, and yet a large segment of the population is still drinking the Kool Aid. Scary.
youngnh 19y ago
I hate being mislead as much as the next guy, and the article is depressingly short on citations (probably to rally skeptics to buy the book) but I'll quote Peter Norvig here and say, "do your own research": http://norvig.com/oreskes.html http://norvig.com/oreskes.html I don't care where the ideas come from if they're verifiable.

jgamman 19y ago

in other news, 1000's of professional climatologists have amassed 10's of 1000's of peer-reviewed literature that is consistent with anthropogenic enhanced warming. oh how can i decide who to trust in this crazy world?!! won't someone please just tell me the answer, preferably one that is simple and just plain common sense? i promise i'll believe you if it seems plausible and means i don't have to change the way i view the world...

jrcapa 19y ago
one solar explosion affects the earth more than all mankind could ever do.

jrcapa 19y ago

If press release from this right wing institute is meaningless, then I may also say that the New York Times and Time magazine are left wing think thanks and no information from them should be trusted.