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How long before Google discontinues the service? I'll stick with EverNote.

by andyl 14y ago

grimman 14y ago
Yeah... if they can't make money off of Reader, how will they ever make money with a product like this? Thanks, but I'm good too.
hrayr 14y ago
Nothing in this world is forever. Get over it, you'll be happier. Take advantage of what's new and innovative, stop living in the past. It takes less than a minute to transfer your Google reader content over to the two dozen or so, very capable, replacements that are more than eager to take you on. If Google note decides to shut down in a decade, be assured that your content will be with you no matter where you decide to go next. There will certainly be many more, perhaps even more innovative and capable replacements at the time. While it's nice to not have to migrate your content every decade or so (Google Reader was introduced 8 years ago), it's certainly not that painful. As apps and services evolve at blistering pace, I love the fact that we can get some fresh air, and a wave of new innovations. I hope more companies do what Google does, discontinue products, for whatever reason, and give others a chance to grow.
- skilesare 14y ago
  This is not true. History does not come with your Reader export. Old archived stories will be lost forever.
  - lawdawg 14y ago
    Nothing is stopping you from backing them up yourself manually. At least you got a 3 month warning ... I certainly didn't when Yahoo decided to just close my @rocketmail email account.
- bengillies 14y ago
  The difficulty is not in migrating to a new service when the old one dies; it's in transferring all your old data across to the new one and updating all your other tools that reference it. With Reader, (apart from historical read/unread/starred/etc) this is as simple as downloading an OPML file and uploading it somewhere else. With Gmail, it's more tricky. Migrating emails is fairly trivial, migrating the address itself though (unless you own the domain) involves updating all your contacts and changing your settings for every site you use on the internet (auto mail forwarding of course makes this easier). With Notes, I'm not sure there's a standardised format for exporting/importing from one service to another. Certainly, with different features between each product a lot of information would be lost when doing so. If you're fine with that and/or don't keep really important notes in the service then it's not really an issue. If you want to ensure they stick around as long as possible, then you need to pick a service that is committed, or one that you control yourself.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    Evernote managed to offer an import tool when Google Notebook shut down. I don't know how well it worked since I only had a few simple things in my Notebook account.
pppp 14y ago
Yeah, I have a sudden mistrust of anything Google creates after they fked us with Reader.
lawdawg 14y ago
Reader lasted longer than almost all of the (major) RSS readers combined. What makes you think EverNote is going to be around forever? Honestly, I don't understand the stance of using an inferior product (this assumes you believe Keep will be superior to EverNote, if not, then why even comment?) because you fear the superior one will be shut off. I rather use a product from a company that has a history of providing mechanisms to take out my data if/when they shut the product down instead of a startup/small company that will probably lose all my data when they go bankrupt or get acqui-hired.
- joering2 14y ago
  > What makes you think EverNote is going to be around forever? Because 99.99999% of EverNote's revenue does not come from some other part of business? One thing is for sure: most users that did use Reader will skip this one :)
- ryanhuff 14y ago
  The issue for many people is that these ancillary services from Google may be found to not add value to Google's overall G+ strategy, and killed in the interest of staying "focused". Google is simply not "all-in" with some of these services. This just isn't the case for company's like Evernote.
  - Shooti 14y ago
    Presumably a product conceived post-G+ will be explicitly designed to add value to the overall G+ strategy, so has less chance of getting to the point of being shut down. Google Reader on the other hand was conceived in 2005 when Google was all over the place and even then the management didn't like it.
    - mkr-hn 14y ago
      G+ is a tricky dependency. There's little confidence in it outside Google and some factions in the tech press.
- Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
mark_l_watson 14y ago
+1 For $50/year I feel like Evernote is focused on me as a customer. I just blogged about this: Google has cancelled 5 services that I used for work projects. I have just switched to using my own domain email as primary, moving my blog from Blogger to one of my own servers (Wordpress is actually pretty cool), and I am using Dropbox as my primary photo and music repository (now using Google's and Apple's services as just backups). I really like being a paying customer for services that are important to me. I like Google's, Facebook's, and Twitter's free offerings, but I use them without depending on them. I wonder different Google's, Facebook's, and Twitter's businesses would be if they had a modest fee (like $25/year) for users, and made users customers instead of products?
- WalterSear 14y ago
  Reader wasn't killed because it couldn't generate revenue. Reader was killed because someone at Google thought they could make everyone use plus instead.
  - pgrote 14y ago
    How do you read RSS feeds in Google+?
    - svachalek 14y ago
      Plus competes with RSS feeds, not with RSS readers.
    - r00fus 14y ago
      You don't. You don't use RSS in FB or Twitter either. All of the social networks see themselves as competitors to RSS. Or to put it their way, RSS limits their profitability.

How long before Google discontinues the service? I'll stick with EverNote.

by andyl 14y ago

How long before Google discontinues the service? I'll stick with EverNote.

Yeah... if they can't make money off of Reader, how will they ever make money with a product like this? Thanks, but I'm good too.

hrayr 14y ago

Nothing in this world is forever. Get over it, you'll be happier. Take advantage of what's new and innovative, stop living in the past. It takes less than a minute to transfer your Google reader content over to the two dozen or so, very capable, replacements that are more than eager to take you on. If Google note decides to shut down in a decade, be assured that your content will be with you no matter where you decide to go next. There will certainly be many more, perhaps even more innovative and capable replacements at the time. While it's nice to not have to migrate your content every decade or so (Google Reader was introduced 8 years ago), it's certainly not that painful. As apps and services evolve at blistering pace, I love the fact that we can get some fresh air, and a wave of new innovations. I hope more companies do what Google does, discontinue products, for whatever reason, and give others a chance to grow.

skilesare 14y ago
This is not true. History does not come with your Reader export. Old archived stories will be lost forever.
- lawdawg 14y ago
  Nothing is stopping you from backing them up yourself manually. At least you got a 3 month warning ... I certainly didn't when Yahoo decided to just close my @rocketmail email account.
bengillies 14y ago
The difficulty is not in migrating to a new service when the old one dies; it's in transferring all your old data across to the new one and updating all your other tools that reference it. With Reader, (apart from historical read/unread/starred/etc) this is as simple as downloading an OPML file and uploading it somewhere else. With Gmail, it's more tricky. Migrating emails is fairly trivial, migrating the address itself though (unless you own the domain) involves updating all your contacts and changing your settings for every site you use on the internet (auto mail forwarding of course makes this easier). With Notes, I'm not sure there's a standardised format for exporting/importing from one service to another. Certainly, with different features between each product a lot of information would be lost when doing so. If you're fine with that and/or don't keep really important notes in the service then it's not really an issue. If you want to ensure they stick around as long as possible, then you need to pick a service that is committed, or one that you control yourself.
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  Evernote managed to offer an import tool when Google Notebook shut down. I don't know how well it worked since I only had a few simple things in my Notebook account.

pppp 14y ago

Yeah, I have a sudden mistrust of anything Google creates after they fked us with Reader.

lawdawg 14y ago

Reader lasted longer than almost all of the (major) RSS readers combined. What makes you think EverNote is going to be around forever? Honestly, I don't understand the stance of using an inferior product (this assumes you believe Keep will be superior to EverNote, if not, then why even comment?) because you fear the superior one will be shut off. I rather use a product from a company that has a history of providing mechanisms to take out my data if/when they shut the product down instead of a startup/small company that will probably lose all my data when they go bankrupt or get acqui-hired.

joering2 14y ago
> What makes you think EverNote is going to be around forever? Because 99.99999% of EverNote's revenue does not come from some other part of business? One thing is for sure: most users that did use Reader will skip this one :)
ryanhuff 14y ago
The issue for many people is that these ancillary services from Google may be found to not add value to Google's overall G+ strategy, and killed in the interest of staying "focused". Google is simply not "all-in" with some of these services. This just isn't the case for company's like Evernote.
- Shooti 14y ago
  Presumably a product conceived post-G+ will be explicitly designed to add value to the overall G+ strategy, so has less chance of getting to the point of being shut down. Google Reader on the other hand was conceived in 2005 when Google was all over the place and even then the management didn't like it.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    G+ is a tricky dependency. There's little confidence in it outside Google and some factions in the tech press.
Tyrannosaurs 14y ago

mark_l_watson 14y ago

+1 For $50/year I feel like Evernote is focused on me as a customer. I just blogged about this: Google has cancelled 5 services that I used for work projects. I have just switched to using my own domain email as primary, moving my blog from Blogger to one of my own servers (Wordpress is actually pretty cool), and I am using Dropbox as my primary photo and music repository (now using Google's and Apple's services as just backups). I really like being a paying customer for services that are important to me. I like Google's, Facebook's, and Twitter's free offerings, but I use them without depending on them. I wonder different Google's, Facebook's, and Twitter's businesses would be if they had a modest fee (like $25/year) for users, and made users customers instead of products?

WalterSear 14y ago
Reader wasn't killed because it couldn't generate revenue. Reader was killed because someone at Google thought they could make everyone use plus instead.
- pgrote 14y ago
  How do you read RSS feeds in Google+?
  - svachalek 14y ago
    Plus competes with RSS feeds, not with RSS readers.
  - r00fus 14y ago
    You don't. You don't use RSS in FB or Twitter either. All of the social networks see themselves as competitors to RSS. Or to put it their way, RSS limits their profitability.