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At some point, hopefully soon, engineers as a whole will start to realize they are being taken advantage of and learn how to negotiate better. Anyone up for a

At some point, hopefully soon, engineers as a whole will start to realize they are being taken advantage of and learn how to negotiate better. Anyone up for a company hack day where we get to work over time without getting paid overtime?

pmelendez 14y ago
"realize they are being taken advantage of and learn how to negotiate better" I am not so optimistic about that, my friends and I are similar in these matters. We don't want to negotiate those things... We just want to build cool things, and people continue to take advantage of that. There is hope if you become indie and have the "bad" luck of not being acquired while also manage to be decently successful. Outside of that, it's just a vicious circle.
- derwiki 14y ago
  Ten minutes of negotiation could get you 10k, easily. I don't come across more high leverage uses of my time than that. And with more money, you can do cool things like start a scholarship or otherwise give your money away. It's money you almost didn't have anyway, right?
  - pmelendez 14y ago
    Oh.. don't get me wrong, it is not like I don't care about money, it's just I don't have the personality to do that. It's just like haggling. Sure, I would prefer having two cool things instead of one when you go to those markets, but I just don't the personality (or skills?) to bring that up. And in my circle of friends I am not alone, which makes me think that it might be a more common problem that I would imagined.
    - aantix 14y ago
      Why are you insecure about it? I'd encourage you to explore the feelings that arise inside of you when negotiations occur. And if you can't do the haggling in person, defer on negotiating a number at that time and then negotiate over email?
RougeFemme 14y ago
I don't think the general personality traits of engineers lend themselves to "negotiating better".. . this is based on observing engineers that I respect and admire.

pmelendez 14y ago

"realize they are being taken advantage of and learn how to negotiate better" I am not so optimistic about that, my friends and I are similar in these matters. We don't want to negotiate those things... We just want to build cool things, and people continue to take advantage of that. There is hope if you become indie and have the "bad" luck of not being acquired while also manage to be decently successful. Outside of that, it's just a vicious circle.

derwiki 14y ago
Ten minutes of negotiation could get you 10k, easily. I don't come across more high leverage uses of my time than that. And with more money, you can do cool things like start a scholarship or otherwise give your money away. It's money you almost didn't have anyway, right?
- pmelendez 14y ago
  Oh.. don't get me wrong, it is not like I don't care about money, it's just I don't have the personality to do that. It's just like haggling. Sure, I would prefer having two cool things instead of one when you go to those markets, but I just don't the personality (or skills?) to bring that up. And in my circle of friends I am not alone, which makes me think that it might be a more common problem that I would imagined.
  - aantix 14y ago
    Why are you insecure about it? I'd encourage you to explore the feelings that arise inside of you when negotiations occur. And if you can't do the haggling in person, defer on negotiating a number at that time and then negotiate over email?

RougeFemme 14y ago

I don't think the general personality traits of engineers lend themselves to "negotiating better".. . this is based on observing engineers that I respect and admire.