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My point is that I hope you don't find out where I live, because I don't want to be eaten. Also, that if you ever say it's wrong for anyone to murder anyone els

by eurleif 14y ago

My point is that I hope you don't find out where I live, because I don't want to be eaten. Also, that if you ever say it's wrong for anyone to murder anyone else, you'll be a hypocrite.

jlgreco 14y ago
Don't worry, I lack the desire to eat humans and would not do so even if I had the desire. Remember that thing I said about different people having different values? Well (although I suspect it may seem odd to you) I place more value in humans than I do in other animals. Kind of like how I place more value in family members than friends, and more value in friends than strangers. Although "because I want to" is sufficient justification for me to eat a non-human animal, it is not sufficient for me to eat a human. In my value system a strong necessity, not merely desire, would be required for me to do that. (Incidentally, the strength of the necessity required would be different for family, friends, and strangers...) None of this should be surprising to you, unless either you honestly thing that omnivores don't realize that animals can feel things, or honestly think that omnivores are all casual cannibals... both clearly absurd things to think.
- eurleif 14y ago
  I hope some day, you realize moral relativism is bullshit.
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Who's standard of morality do you suggest I adopt? Yours?
    - eurleif 14y ago
      I suggest you realize there is a standard of morality, then work on figuring out what it is.
      - jlgreco 14y ago
        I see no pressing need. My value system is flawed.. from your perspective. However I, not being you, don't see it as flawed and therefore see no reason to revise it. Listen, I don't ask you to approve of what I eat (frankly, I don't give one damn about your approval). I expect that you will never agree with me. If you think resolving that is my intention, then you are dreadfully mistaken.
        eurleif 14y ago
        I understand that. But you should understand that, since you don't think morality exists, you can't call the guy who murders your family wrong. You can't call Hitler wrong. You can only say they're people who happen to have a different value system from you, which in absolute terms makes them no more right or wrong than anyone else.
        jlgreco 14y ago
        That strikes me as a tad hyperbolic, but what do I know? I guess if I eat meat I must literally be a Nazi! I don't recall saying that morality doesn't exist, though I am still intrigued by this standard for morality you mentioned earlier. Obviously this isn't something ISO dabbles in; who then shall I consult if I want to learn about it? Are there books? Or perhaps shamans on mountaintops I should consult?

by eurleif 14y ago

My point is that I hope you don't find out where I live, because I don't want to be eaten. Also, that if you ever say it's wrong for anyone to murder anyone else, you'll be a hypocrite.

jlgreco 14y ago

Don't worry, I lack the desire to eat humans and would not do so even if I had the desire. Remember that thing I said about different people having different values? Well (although I suspect it may seem odd to you) I place more value in humans than I do in other animals. Kind of like how I place more value in family members than friends, and more value in friends than strangers. Although "because I want to" is sufficient justification for me to eat a non-human animal, it is not sufficient for me to eat a human. In my value system a strong necessity, not merely desire, would be required for me to do that. (Incidentally, the strength of the necessity required would be different for family, friends, and strangers...) None of this should be surprising to you, unless either you honestly thing that omnivores don't realize that animals can feel things, or honestly think that omnivores are all casual cannibals... both clearly absurd things to think.

eurleif 14y ago
I hope some day, you realize moral relativism is bullshit.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Who's standard of morality do you suggest I adopt? Yours?
  - eurleif 14y ago
    I suggest you realize there is a standard of morality, then work on figuring out what it is.
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      I see no pressing need. My value system is flawed.. from your perspective. However I, not being you, don't see it as flawed and therefore see no reason to revise it. Listen, I don't ask you to approve of what I eat (frankly, I don't give one damn about your approval). I expect that you will never agree with me. If you think resolving that is my intention, then you are dreadfully mistaken.
      - eurleif 14y ago
        I understand that. But you should understand that, since you don't think morality exists, you can't call the guy who murders your family wrong. You can't call Hitler wrong. You can only say they're people who happen to have a different value system from you, which in absolute terms makes them no more right or wrong than anyone else.
        jlgreco 14y ago
        That strikes me as a tad hyperbolic, but what do I know? I guess if I eat meat I must literally be a Nazi! I don't recall saying that morality doesn't exist, though I am still intrigued by this standard for morality you mentioned earlier. Obviously this isn't something ISO dabbles in; who then shall I consult if I want to learn about it? Are there books? Or perhaps shamans on mountaintops I should consult?