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The issue is, is that you can't really kill anything humanely if you intend on consuming it. These animals aren't "put down" they are usually given a bolt gun t

by k88 14y ago

The issue is, is that you can't really kill anything humanely if you intend on consuming it. These animals aren't "put down" they are usually given a bolt gun to the head, hung by a leg and then have their throats slit so the blood drains out. Lets not forget that the animal is alive during this horrific process because their heart has to keep beating to pump out all the blood that they have. These animals experience this so that you can have meat that tastes better. Do you really feel good about that? Lets take the "bacon fad" for a ride down fallacy lane. So everyone loves their dog, right? Nobody in the US would ever dream of eating dog, its even used as a racial stigma against other cultures that have a history for eating them. However, "lesser animals" something that you would think isn't as intelligent as a dog it's ok to slaughter mercilessly for the sole purpose of mass consumption. But the fact of the matter is a pig is smarter than your pet dog. So think if it was your dog going through this, being born, raised in horrible conditions and then slaughtered. It bothers most people to think about that, so why does killing a pig not? Dont even get me started on the environmental issues that we all pretend to care about. Given that factory farming is a main source of pollution.....

glesica 14y ago
You seem to agree with me that there is a continuum of horrific treatment, a bolt to the head and hung up by a leg being worse than being "put down". I agree with that. I also agree that eating meat and claiming to be in favor of animal rights involves a certain amount of hypocrisy. I accept that, and I am still coming to terms with it personally (I have noted to friends, only half-jokingly, that I'm only about one PETA video away from becoming a vegetarian, and so I try to avoid them). That being said, and given that there is a continuum of mistreatment, I still think it is acceptable to eat meat and attempt to encourage more humane treatment of the animals. The hypocrisy is still there, but surely less cruelty is an improvement even if the treatment is still cruel. Of course at some point you will reach a minimum viable level of cruelty, at which point people will have some uncomfortable choices to make, but that's a good thing in my mind.
Evbn 14y ago
Blood can be removed completely painlessly from an unconscious creature. For example, human surgery is painless.
- k88 14y ago
  Right, because thats how it happens. /troll.
boon 14y ago
I would eat dog if it wasn't raised as someone's pet. Actually I just got back from Vietnam, and I'm pretty sure I ate both dog and cat at some point. Didn't bother me because they didn't raise them as pets. They raised them with the intention of eating every little bit (without wasting any part of the animal, I might add). You can grow fond of plenty of the animals that we eat on a normal basis, pigs in particular. We also have a tendency to anthropomorphize animals which can lead to attachment. Factory farming is indeed a huge problem, because it requires so much fossil fuel, grain, and antibiotics, and destroys the land and causes global warming. But the fix is not to stop eating animals, the answer is to go back to the roots of the ecosystem and actually raise more animals. Ever heard of Alan Savory? Check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI
betawolf33 14y ago
Exactly how conscious do you expect an animal to be following the step where a bolt is blasted into their skull to destroy their cerebrum? They are 'alive' from then only insofar as their brain stem is still intact. Practices do vary, but this is the most common way of slaughtering sheep and cattle. You would consider any human so damaged to be essentially dead, and this 'stunning' process takes seconds. The consideration of abuse should focus on the rest of the animal's life. Regarding your second point, the issue we have with the slaughter of dogs is cultural, and has to do with how dogs are integrated into our society. It's not how intelligent we think they are, it's how we percieve them as members of the family. If pigs were the household pets of our time, they'd be perceived the same way, and the same applies to less intelligent creatures. It's a simple fact that we care for things which are close to us more than others, be this humans or other animals.

by k88 14y ago

glesica 14y ago

You seem to agree with me that there is a continuum of horrific treatment, a bolt to the head and hung up by a leg being worse than being "put down". I agree with that. I also agree that eating meat and claiming to be in favor of animal rights involves a certain amount of hypocrisy. I accept that, and I am still coming to terms with it personally (I have noted to friends, only half-jokingly, that I'm only about one PETA video away from becoming a vegetarian, and so I try to avoid them). That being said, and given that there is a continuum of mistreatment, I still think it is acceptable to eat meat and attempt to encourage more humane treatment of the animals. The hypocrisy is still there, but surely less cruelty is an improvement even if the treatment is still cruel. Of course at some point you will reach a minimum viable level of cruelty, at which point people will have some uncomfortable choices to make, but that's a good thing in my mind.

Evbn 14y ago

Blood can be removed completely painlessly from an unconscious creature. For example, human surgery is painless.

k88 14y ago
Right, because thats how it happens. /troll.

boon 14y ago

I would eat dog if it wasn't raised as someone's pet. Actually I just got back from Vietnam, and I'm pretty sure I ate both dog and cat at some point. Didn't bother me because they didn't raise them as pets. They raised them with the intention of eating every little bit (without wasting any part of the animal, I might add). You can grow fond of plenty of the animals that we eat on a normal basis, pigs in particular. We also have a tendency to anthropomorphize animals which can lead to attachment. Factory farming is indeed a huge problem, because it requires so much fossil fuel, grain, and antibiotics, and destroys the land and causes global warming. But the fix is not to stop eating animals, the answer is to go back to the roots of the ecosystem and actually raise more animals. Ever heard of Alan Savory? Check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

betawolf33 14y ago

Exactly how conscious do you expect an animal to be following the step where a bolt is blasted into their skull to destroy their cerebrum? They are 'alive' from then only insofar as their brain stem is still intact. Practices do vary, but this is the most common way of slaughtering sheep and cattle. You would consider any human so damaged to be essentially dead, and this 'stunning' process takes seconds. The consideration of abuse should focus on the rest of the animal's life. Regarding your second point, the issue we have with the slaughter of dogs is cultural, and has to do with how dogs are integrated into our society. It's not how intelligent we think they are, it's how we percieve them as members of the family. If pigs were the household pets of our time, they'd be perceived the same way, and the same applies to less intelligent creatures. It's a simple fact that we care for things which are close to us more than others, be this humans or other animals.