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"Get over it." This is helping? This is how you play into the politics of division. It's also how you make enemies and not get what you want as a result. Do

"Get over it." This is helping? This is how you play into the politics of division. It's also how you make enemies and not get what you want as a result. Don't play the combative divisiveness game. It's for suckers. It serves the politicians, it doesn't serve you.

hideo 14y ago
offtopic: "Don't play the combative divisiveness game. It's for suckers. It serves the politicians, it doesn't serve you." I wish someone would say this every time people start yelling at each other over political decision.
- toomuchtodo 14y ago
  I want to live in a world where conversations can be had, where we can all sit down as a species and say, "Yes, this is what we want" or "no, we're going to pass on this." Unfortunately, there will always be people you will be unable to win over, unable to change their mind, even if the proper direction is a known. What then? We continue to argue? Forever tied in discussions without any forward progress? The downsides of petroleum are clear. Its polluting, its limited, and we fight regional (check that, global) conflicts over it. Electricity is cheap, it's price is dropping quickly as more capacity comes online (solar, wind, natural gas where fracking is occurring), and its able to be moved across wide geographic areas extremely quickly. There is no reason oil shouldn't be taxed and those funds driven directly into renewables and electrified mobility. Now, if you want to argue with me on facts, I am all ears. But until someone can prove we're not running out of oil, prove that we don't need a military to patrol the regions we extract that oil from, and prove that our economy can continue to function with a cartel controlling the literal fuel of the world economies, get the hell out of the way.
  - hideo 14y ago
    I think you meant to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391963
toomuchtodo 14y ago
Yes, "get over it." Oil is non-renewable; it's getting much more expensive to find ; and the US (my country) spends a huge portion of its tax revenue financing a military to ensure a constant supply of said oil. The shift to renewables is already well underway, whether the OP wants it to or not. I'm not being combative. On the contrary, I'm simply stating they should accept the inevitable.
- danielweber 14y ago
  We can manufacture oil. I expect in 50 years we will still have personal cars, but I'm split on whether they will be running on batteries, or running on some liquid fuel that we manufactured from environmental carbon.

hideo 14y ago

offtopic: "Don't play the combative divisiveness game. It's for suckers. It serves the politicians, it doesn't serve you." I wish someone would say this every time people start yelling at each other over political decision.

toomuchtodo 14y ago
I want to live in a world where conversations can be had, where we can all sit down as a species and say, "Yes, this is what we want" or "no, we're going to pass on this." Unfortunately, there will always be people you will be unable to win over, unable to change their mind, even if the proper direction is a known. What then? We continue to argue? Forever tied in discussions without any forward progress? The downsides of petroleum are clear. Its polluting, its limited, and we fight regional (check that, global) conflicts over it. Electricity is cheap, it's price is dropping quickly as more capacity comes online (solar, wind, natural gas where fracking is occurring), and its able to be moved across wide geographic areas extremely quickly. There is no reason oil shouldn't be taxed and those funds driven directly into renewables and electrified mobility. Now, if you want to argue with me on facts, I am all ears. But until someone can prove we're not running out of oil, prove that we don't need a military to patrol the regions we extract that oil from, and prove that our economy can continue to function with a cartel controlling the literal fuel of the world economies, get the hell out of the way.
- hideo 14y ago
  I think you meant to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391963

toomuchtodo 14y ago

Yes, "get over it." Oil is non-renewable; it's getting much more expensive to find ; and the US (my country) spends a huge portion of its tax revenue financing a military to ensure a constant supply of said oil. The shift to renewables is already well underway, whether the OP wants it to or not. I'm not being combative. On the contrary, I'm simply stating they should accept the inevitable.

danielweber 14y ago
We can manufacture oil. I expect in 50 years we will still have personal cars, but I'm split on whether they will be running on batteries, or running on some liquid fuel that we manufactured from environmental carbon.