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This just sounds to me like the next step in a game of cat-and-mouse. What innovative technology can we geeks develop to circumvent these censorship systems?

by epall 18y ago

Celcius 18y ago
We don't have to innovate anything, we already have VPNs. As long as the content exists on the Internet, one can asume that you will be able to access it from somewhere so the only action you need to take is route your traffic to that place before accessing the content. With Tor it is so easy to go around these things that you install a program and push a button to have your trafic bypass any and all national filters, if only more people dared to put up servers so Tor wasn't so extremely slow.
- baltoo 18y ago
  > You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem - Edward's law The problem, I think, is precisely the one you highlight: > If only more people dared to put up servers "Society" can make it so that it's "dangerous" (for given values) and, more importantly, uninteresting (for the masses) to use the new tech, and thus it remains a non-solved problem, which could herald a bleaker future.
- niels_olson 18y ago
  Secure Computing (a DARPA-funded network "security" company, not to be confused with the Trusted Computing chip), can identify and block Tor traffic. Have tried. http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/2008/06/fascist_bias_in_censorware.php http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/2008/06/fascist_bias_in_censo...
tomjen 18y ago
A DNS server - that is all it takes to beat the Danish version anyway. Or you can use the hugely innovative OpenDNS.
jerf 18y ago
No need to develop them, they already exist. See Freenet, for example. The problem with them is that they work a little too well. I'm probably in the 99th percentile (globally) in what I will defend as "free speech" and even I can't stomach the idea of running a Freenet node, between the content I'm not willing to defend as free speech, and the content that I may be willing to defend as free speech but have no desire to subsidize monetarily. It's going to be challenging getting much critical mass out of a system that can carry wikileaks-type info.

This just sounds to me like the next step in a game of cat-and-mouse. What innovative technology can we geeks develop to circumvent these censorship systems?

by epall 18y ago

This just sounds to me like the next step in a game of cat-and-mouse. What innovative technology can we geeks develop to circumvent these censorship systems?

Celcius 18y ago

We don't have to innovate anything, we already have VPNs. As long as the content exists on the Internet, one can asume that you will be able to access it from somewhere so the only action you need to take is route your traffic to that place before accessing the content. With Tor it is so easy to go around these things that you install a program and push a button to have your trafic bypass any and all national filters, if only more people dared to put up servers so Tor wasn't so extremely slow.

baltoo 18y ago
> You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem - Edward's law The problem, I think, is precisely the one you highlight: > If only more people dared to put up servers "Society" can make it so that it's "dangerous" (for given values) and, more importantly, uninteresting (for the masses) to use the new tech, and thus it remains a non-solved problem, which could herald a bleaker future.
niels_olson 18y ago
Secure Computing (a DARPA-funded network "security" company, not to be confused with the Trusted Computing chip), can identify and block Tor traffic. Have tried. http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/2008/06/fascist_bias_in_censorware.php http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/2008/06/fascist_bias_in_censo...

tomjen 18y ago

A DNS server - that is all it takes to beat the Danish version anyway. Or you can use the hugely innovative OpenDNS.

jerf 18y ago

No need to develop them, they already exist. See Freenet, for example. The problem with them is that they work a little too well. I'm probably in the 99th percentile (globally) in what I will defend as "free speech" and even I can't stomach the idea of running a Freenet node, between the content I'm not willing to defend as free speech, and the content that I may be willing to defend as free speech but have no desire to subsidize monetarily. It's going to be challenging getting much critical mass out of a system that can carry wikileaks-type info.