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Seemed like a harmless enough request with an easy yes or no answer. I find him asking a lot cooler than your response. If the situation is so sensitive to ever

by j2bax 14y ago

Seemed like a harmless enough request with an easy yes or no answer. I find him asking a lot cooler than your response. If the situation is so sensitive to everyones well being, you shouldn't even be discussing it on a public forum. Get over it.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
It was an unfair request and one I made off the cuff. With more time I would have either rephrased or not asked. I withdraw the request and apologise to both the above posters. I don't particularly care about the sensitive portions of the poor 5000LOC but I am interested in how these things get so out of control. I was some time ago trying to start a MSc in software engineering - focused on just these differences in productivity - and the biggest stumbling block is finding examples of bad code and coders to study. People who want to be part of a study tend to be in the upper quadrant and from my point of view boring. Anyway, long story short, I posted before thinking Take care
- gngeal 14y ago
  Why unfair? I have a friend who is an extremely competent programmer (and a very prolific writer) and he sends me - of his own initiative - snippets of code written by his cow-orkers (or at least he did, until he switched jobs and went into a company with much more respectable peers, so there's no fun to be had in that). You wouldn't believe what some people are capable of attempting to write. (Except, of course, you would, if you visit thedailywtf.com with any frequency.) Let's just say that, for example, an awful lot of people believe these days that they are competent enough to rewrite date-handling libraries in the Java ecosystem. Of course, the correctness of the result fails horribly.
  - lifeisstillgood 14y ago
    But je is your friend and you don't ask him to drop the code on HN. I really want to use the codebases of the bottom three quarter to help drag up the quality bar - but like I said it's a hard thing to arrange. Added to this is that the lack of code literacy means these proprietary places can swim for years in the same circles never actually getting out from under. If companies want competitive advantage from their technology they need to invest in software and code bases - reducing the pressure on delivery (CI or just cut back on the expectations) and focusing on getting better code. I mean no-one argues that a novel written by two hundred teenagers will be less intelligible and workable than something by Salinger. Why the hell would we expect different from code. Not sure where I am going with this - other than writing good code is a big deal, and stuff that prevents it needs to get out of the way

by j2bax 14y ago

lifeisstillgood 14y ago

It was an unfair request and one I made off the cuff. With more time I would have either rephrased or not asked. I withdraw the request and apologise to both the above posters. I don't particularly care about the sensitive portions of the poor 5000LOC but I am interested in how these things get so out of control. I was some time ago trying to start a MSc in software engineering - focused on just these differences in productivity - and the biggest stumbling block is finding examples of bad code and coders to study. People who want to be part of a study tend to be in the upper quadrant and from my point of view boring. Anyway, long story short, I posted before thinking Take care

gngeal 14y ago
Why unfair? I have a friend who is an extremely competent programmer (and a very prolific writer) and he sends me - of his own initiative - snippets of code written by his cow-orkers (or at least he did, until he switched jobs and went into a company with much more respectable peers, so there's no fun to be had in that). You wouldn't believe what some people are capable of attempting to write. (Except, of course, you would, if you visit thedailywtf.com with any frequency.) Let's just say that, for example, an awful lot of people believe these days that they are competent enough to rewrite date-handling libraries in the Java ecosystem. Of course, the correctness of the result fails horribly.
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  But je is your friend and you don't ask him to drop the code on HN. I really want to use the codebases of the bottom three quarter to help drag up the quality bar - but like I said it's a hard thing to arrange. Added to this is that the lack of code literacy means these proprietary places can swim for years in the same circles never actually getting out from under. If companies want competitive advantage from their technology they need to invest in software and code bases - reducing the pressure on delivery (CI or just cut back on the expectations) and focusing on getting better code. I mean no-one argues that a novel written by two hundred teenagers will be less intelligible and workable than something by Salinger. Why the hell would we expect different from code. Not sure where I am going with this - other than writing good code is a big deal, and stuff that prevents it needs to get out of the way