There was a bit of snark in this comment with the "..." which I apologise for, but I think my point was fair. Trying to paint Node as an anti-framework ecosyste

There was a bit of snark in this comment with the "..." which I apologise for, but I think my point was fair. Trying to paint Node as an anti-framework ecosystem is disingenuous and this is clearly not a goal of either Node, npm or Express. I love Node, and am consistently impressed by npm, but pretending that these technologies represent a "paradigm shift" and some sort of cohesive shift away from frameworks is faintly ridiculous. If you work on a team and are faced with the task of creating a large app your choice is to pick a framework or create your own from libraries. I'd argue that a (good) framework is likely to be better because the conventions are likely clearer and better documented than anything you cook up yourself by combining libraries and filling in gaps with your own code.