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Cloud providers should make it easy for cloud users to move their data to other cloud providers. Cloud providers and users should avoid any type of lock-in whe

Cloud providers should make it easy for cloud users to move their data to other cloud providers. Cloud providers and users should avoid any type of lock-in whether it is data based, technology based or knowledge based.

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lsc 18y ago
what do you think of http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/ http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/ ? It's pretty much just a clone of EC2... but it's open, so just about any VPS provider (such as myself) could provide almost ec2 compatible services. I wonder if something 'thinner' would be better, though? something that required less cooperation from the hosting providers?
- wmf 18y ago
  Eucalyptus is nice if you like EC2's abstractions, but it's not clear that they're the right ones.
  - lsc 18y ago
    hm. Do you have other suggestions? I do need to implement something, my current situation is clearly untenable (currently, my provisioning system is a guy named Nick.) and yeah, I don't particularly like EC2's abstractions, but they are a standard that many people know. (and I certainly would like a situation where it's easy for EC2 users to switch between EC2 and myself. As I'm much cheaper, I believe that would be a big win for me. I was here before EC2.) But yeah, I certainly am interested in other ideas. what I'm not interested in is coming up with and marking my own API/abstraction layer. Even if I released all the docs, it would be de-facto proprietary. I want to use something that other people use. I want something thought out by people smarter than I am. I'd really like something that my customers alrealdy know how to use. (That's what attracts me to Eucalyptus. EC2 has a rather large customer base, some of whom are price sensitive, and thus who may wish to become my customers.)
    - asb 18y ago
      Have you looked at the Sun Cloud API? http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/03/16/Sun-Cloud http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/03/16/Sun-Cloud
      - lsc 18y ago
        that sounds good... Unfortunately, it looks like they have no code to implement. not even done with the spec.
    - wmf 18y ago
      I like ESX so I'm looking forward to the vCloud API, but it hasn't been released yet.
    - listic 18y ago
      The alternatives to Eucalyptus seem not to be here just yet. I suggest that you get in contact with the Cloudkick guys. If I understand correctly, the purpose of their business is to integrate different cloud providers (Amazon and VPS'es) so that you won't have to (do this on your own). They have just launched, at the moment only support Amazon and plan to support Slicehost. Talk to them, it might be beneficial for both of you.
      - lsc 18y ago
        hm. thanks. that looks pretty darn nice.

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lsc 18y ago

what do you think of http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/ http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/ ? It's pretty much just a clone of EC2... but it's open, so just about any VPS provider (such as myself) could provide almost ec2 compatible services. I wonder if something 'thinner' would be better, though? something that required less cooperation from the hosting providers?

wmf 18y ago
Eucalyptus is nice if you like EC2's abstractions, but it's not clear that they're the right ones.
- lsc 18y ago
  hm. Do you have other suggestions? I do need to implement something, my current situation is clearly untenable (currently, my provisioning system is a guy named Nick.) and yeah, I don't particularly like EC2's abstractions, but they are a standard that many people know. (and I certainly would like a situation where it's easy for EC2 users to switch between EC2 and myself. As I'm much cheaper, I believe that would be a big win for me. I was here before EC2.) But yeah, I certainly am interested in other ideas. what I'm not interested in is coming up with and marking my own API/abstraction layer. Even if I released all the docs, it would be de-facto proprietary. I want to use something that other people use. I want something thought out by people smarter than I am. I'd really like something that my customers alrealdy know how to use. (That's what attracts me to Eucalyptus. EC2 has a rather large customer base, some of whom are price sensitive, and thus who may wish to become my customers.)
  - asb 18y ago
    Have you looked at the Sun Cloud API? http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/03/16/Sun-Cloud http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/03/16/Sun-Cloud
    - lsc 18y ago
      that sounds good... Unfortunately, it looks like they have no code to implement. not even done with the spec.
  - wmf 18y ago
    I like ESX so I'm looking forward to the vCloud API, but it hasn't been released yet.
  - listic 18y ago
    The alternatives to Eucalyptus seem not to be here just yet. I suggest that you get in contact with the Cloudkick guys. If I understand correctly, the purpose of their business is to integrate different cloud providers (Amazon and VPS'es) so that you won't have to (do this on your own). They have just launched, at the moment only support Amazon and plan to support Slicehost. Talk to them, it might be beneficial for both of you.
    - lsc 18y ago
      hm. thanks. that looks pretty darn nice.