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> few French don't realize how awesome health care is in France And even fewer don't realize how good it can be in other countries too. Social security pays a

by guylhem 14y ago

> few French don't realize how awesome health care is in France And even fewer don't realize how good it can be in other countries too. Social security pays a percentage, the rest is up to you - you have a commercial insurance or a mutuelle. But some costs still are for your to pay. I work in healthcare. There are countries where in fact you don't have to pay at all. They have delay issues (try Quebec!) but if you are arguing on just a cost basis that's better. > we're a very long way from curfews and martial law No, not very long. There are already riots every 3 to 4 years, large scale ones. You have the left that's ignoring the economic situation, the right that's discredited and the far-right that's banking on the situation, saying things that may make sense to the common voter, but if they get in power won't be so good for the country (and for that I would accept a Godwin point) We badly miss a libertarian party in France. There's no hope in sight. Between the socialist and the fascist, the poster has good reasons to be worried, even if there are some exaggerations. Just look at what happened to Chile, Spain etc. If there was a way to make a profit on my bet, I'd bet on civil war in mainland france within 15 years - and edge my bet with a smaller one, curfew and martial law within 10 years.

byroot 14y ago
> They have delay issues (try Quebec!) Yeah .. 2 or 3 weeks to get a appointent with a doctor, 6 to 8h at the emergency service at the hospital. I prefer to be sick in France than in Quebec. > There are already riots every 3 to 4 years, large scale ones. Come on ! There was 2005[0], and 2007[1] but that's all. Both were due to a police blunder (or at least a supposed one). Only civil security handled it. There was no army involved. Appart from these two ones, I don't recall any other "riot". And they are very localised (very poor suburbs). > If there was a way to make a profit on my bet, I'd bet on civil war in mainland france within 15 years - and edge my bet with a smaller one, curfew and martial law within 10 years. I hear that sentence since 20 years. It's a banality that is said by a lot of french right extremists and racists. They dream of a war to get rid of immigrants. It's sad and start to be boring. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil_unrest_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil_unrest_in_France
- guylhem 14y ago
  You seems biased. I'm PRAYING that there will not be a war, and that immigrants will find a way to feel happy in the society, and that the french society will welcome them. This will require a lot of changes on both sides- but for now, only hate is growing. I'm just very sorry I don't see that happening. I'm making predictions, hoping I'll be proved wrong.
epsylon 14y ago
I'm not saying French health care is magical (comes at no cost) or perfect (could not be improved), I'm just saying that it's pretty damn good, and that for the majority of French people it turns out to be something they want to keep. >No, not very long. There are already riots every 3 to 4 years, large scale ones. It's all a question of perspective. We haven't seen anything like the LA riots, for example. And riot control has been for decades the jurisdiction of the police force and I sincerely doubt there would be the need for the army to intervene. >If there was a way to make a profit on my bet, I'd bet on civil war in mainland france within 15 years - and edge my bet with a smaller one, curfew and martial law within 10 years. I wouldn't be so sure. >We badly miss a libertarian party in France. There's no hope in sight. There's no hope in sight unfortunately because the whole political system is tightly controlled by politicians and closed to any new party. But I don't think that the grass is much greener anywhere else in the world.

by guylhem 14y ago

byroot 14y ago

> They have delay issues (try Quebec!) Yeah .. 2 or 3 weeks to get a appointent with a doctor, 6 to 8h at the emergency service at the hospital. I prefer to be sick in France than in Quebec. > There are already riots every 3 to 4 years, large scale ones. Come on ! There was 2005[0], and 2007[1] but that's all. Both were due to a police blunder (or at least a supposed one). Only civil security handled it. There was no army involved. Appart from these two ones, I don't recall any other "riot". And they are very localised (very poor suburbs). > If there was a way to make a profit on my bet, I'd bet on civil war in mainland france within 15 years - and edge my bet with a smaller one, curfew and martial law within 10 years. I hear that sentence since 20 years. It's a banality that is said by a lot of french right extremists and racists. They dream of a war to get rid of immigrants. It's sad and start to be boring. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil_unrest_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil_unrest_in_France

guylhem 14y ago
You seems biased. I'm PRAYING that there will not be a war, and that immigrants will find a way to feel happy in the society, and that the french society will welcome them. This will require a lot of changes on both sides- but for now, only hate is growing. I'm just very sorry I don't see that happening. I'm making predictions, hoping I'll be proved wrong.

epsylon 14y ago

I'm not saying French health care is magical (comes at no cost) or perfect (could not be improved), I'm just saying that it's pretty damn good, and that for the majority of French people it turns out to be something they want to keep. >No, not very long. There are already riots every 3 to 4 years, large scale ones. It's all a question of perspective. We haven't seen anything like the LA riots, for example. And riot control has been for decades the jurisdiction of the police force and I sincerely doubt there would be the need for the army to intervene. >If there was a way to make a profit on my bet, I'd bet on civil war in mainland france within 15 years - and edge my bet with a smaller one, curfew and martial law within 10 years. I wouldn't be so sure. >We badly miss a libertarian party in France. There's no hope in sight. There's no hope in sight unfortunately because the whole political system is tightly controlled by politicians and closed to any new party. But I don't think that the grass is much greener anywhere else in the world.