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>Are you upset that a proponent of low carb diets actually knows what he is talking about and doesn't lie? No, I'm saying that McDonald does not say what you'r

>Are you upset that a proponent of low carb diets actually knows what he is talking about and doesn't lie? No, I'm saying that McDonald does not say what you're claiming he does. Low carb diets will not lead to muscle loss simply because they're low carb. McDonald even says as much in the article you linked. >I’d also note that, as long as protein intake is sufficiently high (e.g. the diet is covering the increased breakdown of protein in the liver and elsewhere), the amount of carbohydrates which are truly required is still zero. Low carb diets can lead to muscle wasting, but that's the case with any diet -- which is something else McDonald had said. The only thing I'm taking issue with is the assertion that low carbohydrate intake necessarily causes muscle wasting. >Your evidence of what bodybuilders did decades ago is that people have started talking about doing it in the last few years? Again, if you're going to cite McDonald, this is something he covers in the first chapter of his book. EDIT: I hadn't even seen the handy chart he includes at the bottom of that article. He recommends 50-100g of carbs per day to avoid muscle loss with no additional intake required to maintain light exercise. Those values are firmly within the low carbohydrate intake range. Seriously, it's rather uncouth to imply the person you're talking to is lying when you're completely misrepresenting the sources you've cited yourself.

papsosouid 14y ago
You might want to go back and read the thread. Low carb diets used to lose weight and manage epilepsy are no where even remotely close to 50-100g of carbs a day. Many set limits as low as 10g a day.
- commandar 14y ago
  50g is on the high end of maintaining ketosis for most people, and 100g is specifically for those who wish to avoid ketosis. And he says, multiple times, in that article that carb number can be lower without ill effect with sufficient protein intake. He's just saying it's easier for most people to just eat 50g of carbs a day than jack up their protein intake. e.g., >However, strictly speaking, any diet with less than 100 g/day of carbohydrate will cause ketosis to develop to some degree (more ketones will be generated as carbs are lowered). [...] >In any case, an intake of 15-50 grams per day of carbohydrate will still allow ketosis to develop and those ketogenic dieters attempting to ‘eat as few carbs as possible’ might want to consider that in the context of not only providing much needed food variety (at 50 g/day, even a small amount of fruit can often be fit in) but also in the context of the protein sparing issues I discussed above. Getting to the point, although the physiological requirement for dietary carbohydrates is zero, we might set a practical minimum (in terms of preventing excessive body protein loss) at 50 grams per day. I’d note again that, within the context of The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook approach, carbs are limited to essentially trace amounts; however protein (which makes up the majority of the diet) is set high enough to limit muscle loss. [...] >So, summing up mid-article, the absolute requirement for carbohydrates is zero grams per day. However, depending on protein intake, a practical minimum for carbs lies between 50 grams/day (if someone functions well in ketosis) to 100-120 grams per day (if they don’t function well in ketosis). Let me mention very specifically that I’m not suggesting those numbers are a recommended level, I’m simply using them to represent a practical minimum value.

papsosouid 14y ago

You might want to go back and read the thread. Low carb diets used to lose weight and manage epilepsy are no where even remotely close to 50-100g of carbs a day. Many set limits as low as 10g a day.

commandar 14y ago
50g is on the high end of maintaining ketosis for most people, and 100g is specifically for those who wish to avoid ketosis. And he says, multiple times, in that article that carb number can be lower without ill effect with sufficient protein intake. He's just saying it's easier for most people to just eat 50g of carbs a day than jack up their protein intake. e.g., >However, strictly speaking, any diet with less than 100 g/day of carbohydrate will cause ketosis to develop to some degree (more ketones will be generated as carbs are lowered). [...] >In any case, an intake of 15-50 grams per day of carbohydrate will still allow ketosis to develop and those ketogenic dieters attempting to ‘eat as few carbs as possible’ might want to consider that in the context of not only providing much needed food variety (at 50 g/day, even a small amount of fruit can often be fit in) but also in the context of the protein sparing issues I discussed above. Getting to the point, although the physiological requirement for dietary carbohydrates is zero, we might set a practical minimum (in terms of preventing excessive body protein loss) at 50 grams per day. I’d note again that, within the context of The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook approach, carbs are limited to essentially trace amounts; however protein (which makes up the majority of the diet) is set high enough to limit muscle loss. [...] >So, summing up mid-article, the absolute requirement for carbohydrates is zero grams per day. However, depending on protein intake, a practical minimum for carbs lies between 50 grams/day (if someone functions well in ketosis) to 100-120 grams per day (if they don’t function well in ketosis). Let me mention very specifically that I’m not suggesting those numbers are a recommended level, I’m simply using them to represent a practical minimum value.