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Clozure is a good choice of Lisp to get something done. It's got a really neat FFI (Foreign Function Interface), including an Objective-C bridge that lets you

Clozure is a good choice of Lisp to get something done. It's got a really neat FFI (Foreign Function Interface), including an Objective-C bridge that lets you talk with Mac OS X, so you can interface with C libraries to handle all those wheels you really don't want to re-invent. That said, try to get over your Java prejudice with Clojure. Java libraries are nice.

skore 14y ago
I already have an overly healthy dose of self-loathing since I'm mainly programming in PHP. I guess that's why I'm mostly staying away from Java ;-) And thanks for the further insight on Clozure!
- iso8859-1 14y ago
  As I see it, OOP PHP 5 is Java without static types and without a proper standard library. I'd regard it as an upgrade coming from PHP. Check out the Play Framework.
  - skore 14y ago
    And that's exactly why I'd like to try out something that is a lot more different, not just slightly different ;-)
- douglasisshiny 14y ago
  Clojure is not Java. It runs on the JVM. It can use Java methods. But it is not Java.
kyllo 14y ago
Java libraries are nice and all, but I could sure do without java.lang.StackOverflowError. I recently started learning Clojure and was floored when I found out it lacked tail-call optimization. I thought that was pretty much a requirement for a functional language. I understand that it's a limitation of the JVM and that there are workarounds, but they all seem kinda hacky, so I don't really plan to use recursion a whole lot in Clojure. On the other hand, its libraries for building and processing collections are so good that I don't think I will really need to. No car, cdr, or cons is just weird though, for a language that's considered a Lisp.
- Sandman 14y ago
  What do you mean? http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/cons http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/cons http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/first http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/first http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/rest http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/rest

skore 14y ago

I already have an overly healthy dose of self-loathing since I'm mainly programming in PHP. I guess that's why I'm mostly staying away from Java ;-) And thanks for the further insight on Clozure!

iso8859-1 14y ago
As I see it, OOP PHP 5 is Java without static types and without a proper standard library. I'd regard it as an upgrade coming from PHP. Check out the Play Framework.
- skore 14y ago
  And that's exactly why I'd like to try out something that is a lot more different, not just slightly different ;-)
douglasisshiny 14y ago
Clojure is not Java. It runs on the JVM. It can use Java methods. But it is not Java.

kyllo 14y ago

Java libraries are nice and all, but I could sure do without java.lang.StackOverflowError. I recently started learning Clojure and was floored when I found out it lacked tail-call optimization. I thought that was pretty much a requirement for a functional language. I understand that it's a limitation of the JVM and that there are workarounds, but they all seem kinda hacky, so I don't really plan to use recursion a whole lot in Clojure. On the other hand, its libraries for building and processing collections are so good that I don't think I will really need to. No car, cdr, or cons is just weird though, for a language that's considered a Lisp.

Sandman 14y ago
What do you mean? http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/cons http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/cons http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/first http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/first http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/rest http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/rest