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VM was one of those smart shows that died an early death, kindof like Arrested Development or Firefly. For the longest time fans of movies and TV have been able

VM was one of those smart shows that died an early death, kindof like Arrested Development or Firefly. For the longest time fans of movies and TV have been able to buy DVDs, tickets to cons, posters, action figures, etc., but all of that is a proxy for what fans really want to buy: MORE CONTENT. Glad to see this working.

purplelobster 14y ago
I thought the first season was brilliant, but it couldn't keep it up.
- aaron695 14y ago
  Agree. Brilliant first season. But it seemed to me some idiot somewhere who worked on the second season saw it had a strong female lead and thought that meant she should be a dick and wrote the later seasons like that. It amazes me how Hollywood just doesn't get strong female characters.
18pfsmt 14y ago
Sorry for the off-topic/ pedantic, but since when has VM stood for Veronica Mars, and cons stood for conferences? To me VM == virtual machine, and cons==convicts. I realize context changes that, but I like browsing from the https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments section of HN, and I find it rude that many HNers feel the need to use common Reddit acronyms not found anywhere else. For people that find Vim shortcuts so simple, one cannot easily fathom the time savings is worth the confusion (however temporary).
- potatolicious 14y ago
  To you cons = convicts, to the rest of the cons is a command line tool, which arguably is closer to the "HN" standard (whatever the fuck that means) than yours. I find it rude that you would choose to use such an irrelevant definition of "cons" on HN given the general subject matter of this forum. Just kidding - who gives a shit? The extra 0.5 seconds it took to parse the contextual meaning of an acronym I am not going to sweat, and I am certainly not going to call someone rude for daring to use a subculture-specific word in a way I would not normally.
  - MBlume 14y ago
    I think we can all agree that cons is a function for building lists.
  - 18pfsmt 14y ago
    Interesting. And what would you estimate is the time loss of that 0.5 seconds multiplied by 5x per day translates to in a year? I suppose this is a bit of the curmudgeonly attitude I fear I am acquiring (i.e. get off my lawn), but I do take offense to people mangling the language and the lingo (like talking about a blog rather than a blog post, which seems to be on the rise). As a rather poor typist, among people I perceive to be great typists, this bothers me. Perhaps I was just looking for other curmudgeons or pedants to show me how they deal with this issue. I also try to proofread my comments, and I appreciate the same. P.S. I also do not understand, "to the rest of the cons is a command line tool." [Edit to clarify: I estimate I spend 1 hour and half on this type of thing per year on HN; normally, I just downvote, and move on. I just found out ITMS == if that makes sense. I thought it was Itunes Music Store. Instead of mentioning Vim, I should have said most people on HN appear to be able to treat the keyboard as an extension of their body. I cannot, maybe I'm abit jealous there, but if typing is so simple why save a few keystrokes at the risk of confusing those with whom you wish to communicate? I did preface my comment with an admission that it was both pedantic and off-topic (on an original post from variety.com concerning a topic with which I'm completely unfamiliar).]
    - potatolicious 14y ago
      > "but I do take offense to people mangling the language and the lingo" What language and what lingo? Do we need to establish a canonical "this acronym means exactly and only that" definition? It's one thing to get mad at bad grammar or poor spelling, it's quite another to get riled up over a legitimate use of a word simply because that's now how you normally use the same word. The English language is messy, your borg-like desire for millisecond-level perfection is hard to understand, but not so objectionable until you started calling others rude for not living up to your standards. OP wasn't spelling poorly, nor did he/she use poor grammar - you're literally complaining about someone using an acronym in a way you do not normally use it.
- koko775 14y ago
  "cons" is not just not a "reddit acronym", but is also a common term for "conventions" and "conferences" that has been in use for at least three decades. I haven't lived longer than two and a half but I wager it's older than I am. You're not entitled to your own ignorance, and not everyone uses language the same way you do. Please lighten up, open your mind a little bit to that, and grow a thicker skin.
  - arcatek 14y ago
    The famous Comic Con has first been held at Chicago in 1976. The term was probably used before that.
    - 18pfsmt 14y ago
      That's the first, and only, example I could think of. I do not know of any other.
      - deleted 14y ago
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      - ajdecon 14y ago
        Science fiction, comic book, and anime conventions often use "con" in their names or as puns. WindyCon, Conclave, MegaCon, Worldcon, CollossalCon, ... Referring to media conventions as "cons" is pretty common in fandom. Veronica Mars doesn't fit strictly into those categories, but the fanbase seems to have substantial overlap with genre fandom. It's jargon, but not particularly uncommon in its area of relevance.
      - jsnell 14y ago
        No, it honestly has a very widespread and global usage. Probably 90% of SF and gaming conventions have a name ending with "Con", or some obvious pun on that. The roots go back at least to the 1939 NYCon I (possibly a retroactive name) or the 1940 ChiCon I. See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_conventions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_convent....
- nollidge 14y ago
  This is not pedantic, it's asinine. Almost every single lexical object is overloaded with multiple meanings, so it is incumbent upon an addressee to put in a modicum of effort to use context in interpreting communication. There's really no other way to get by.

purplelobster 14y ago

I thought the first season was brilliant, but it couldn't keep it up.

aaron695 14y ago
Agree. Brilliant first season. But it seemed to me some idiot somewhere who worked on the second season saw it had a strong female lead and thought that meant she should be a dick and wrote the later seasons like that. It amazes me how Hollywood just doesn't get strong female characters.

18pfsmt 14y ago

Sorry for the off-topic/ pedantic, but since when has VM stood for Veronica Mars, and cons stood for conferences? To me VM == virtual machine, and cons==convicts. I realize context changes that, but I like browsing from the https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments section of HN, and I find it rude that many HNers feel the need to use common Reddit acronyms not found anywhere else. For people that find Vim shortcuts so simple, one cannot easily fathom the time savings is worth the confusion (however temporary).

potatolicious 14y ago
To you cons = convicts, to the rest of the cons is a command line tool, which arguably is closer to the "HN" standard (whatever the fuck that means) than yours. I find it rude that you would choose to use such an irrelevant definition of "cons" on HN given the general subject matter of this forum. Just kidding - who gives a shit? The extra 0.5 seconds it took to parse the contextual meaning of an acronym I am not going to sweat, and I am certainly not going to call someone rude for daring to use a subculture-specific word in a way I would not normally.
- MBlume 14y ago
  I think we can all agree that cons is a function for building lists.
- 18pfsmt 14y ago
  Interesting. And what would you estimate is the time loss of that 0.5 seconds multiplied by 5x per day translates to in a year? I suppose this is a bit of the curmudgeonly attitude I fear I am acquiring (i.e. get off my lawn), but I do take offense to people mangling the language and the lingo (like talking about a blog rather than a blog post, which seems to be on the rise). As a rather poor typist, among people I perceive to be great typists, this bothers me. Perhaps I was just looking for other curmudgeons or pedants to show me how they deal with this issue. I also try to proofread my comments, and I appreciate the same. P.S. I also do not understand, "to the rest of the cons is a command line tool." [Edit to clarify: I estimate I spend 1 hour and half on this type of thing per year on HN; normally, I just downvote, and move on. I just found out ITMS == if that makes sense. I thought it was Itunes Music Store. Instead of mentioning Vim, I should have said most people on HN appear to be able to treat the keyboard as an extension of their body. I cannot, maybe I'm abit jealous there, but if typing is so simple why save a few keystrokes at the risk of confusing those with whom you wish to communicate? I did preface my comment with an admission that it was both pedantic and off-topic (on an original post from variety.com concerning a topic with which I'm completely unfamiliar).]
  - potatolicious 14y ago
    > "but I do take offense to people mangling the language and the lingo" What language and what lingo? Do we need to establish a canonical "this acronym means exactly and only that" definition? It's one thing to get mad at bad grammar or poor spelling, it's quite another to get riled up over a legitimate use of a word simply because that's now how you normally use the same word. The English language is messy, your borg-like desire for millisecond-level perfection is hard to understand, but not so objectionable until you started calling others rude for not living up to your standards. OP wasn't spelling poorly, nor did he/she use poor grammar - you're literally complaining about someone using an acronym in a way you do not normally use it.
koko775 14y ago
"cons" is not just not a "reddit acronym", but is also a common term for "conventions" and "conferences" that has been in use for at least three decades. I haven't lived longer than two and a half but I wager it's older than I am. You're not entitled to your own ignorance, and not everyone uses language the same way you do. Please lighten up, open your mind a little bit to that, and grow a thicker skin.
- arcatek 14y ago
  The famous Comic Con has first been held at Chicago in 1976. The term was probably used before that.
  - 18pfsmt 14y ago
    That's the first, and only, example I could think of. I do not know of any other.
    - deleted 14y ago
      [deleted]
    - ajdecon 14y ago
      Science fiction, comic book, and anime conventions often use "con" in their names or as puns. WindyCon, Conclave, MegaCon, Worldcon, CollossalCon, ... Referring to media conventions as "cons" is pretty common in fandom. Veronica Mars doesn't fit strictly into those categories, but the fanbase seems to have substantial overlap with genre fandom. It's jargon, but not particularly uncommon in its area of relevance.
    - jsnell 14y ago
      No, it honestly has a very widespread and global usage. Probably 90% of SF and gaming conventions have a name ending with "Con", or some obvious pun on that. The roots go back at least to the 1939 NYCon I (possibly a retroactive name) or the 1940 ChiCon I. See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_conventions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_convent....
nollidge 14y ago
This is not pedantic, it's asinine. Almost every single lexical object is overloaded with multiple meanings, so it is incumbent upon an addressee to put in a modicum of effort to use context in interpreting communication. There's really no other way to get by.