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> And they're not allowed to make certain calls into the OS to make a fast native JIT, even if they wanted to make their own browser from scratch. So due to art

> And they're not allowed to make certain calls into the OS to make a fast native JIT, even if they wanted to make their own browser from scratch. So due to artificial policy decisions, it's doomed to be slow Yeah, and Firefox doesn't allow native code execution at all either, so, also slow. Mozilla doesn't have the moral high-ground here, in that they're also creating two tiers of developer: Mozilla, and everyone else.

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sp332 14y ago
At least if Chrome made a version like they did with iOS (just a wrapper around the native web engine) it would have a JIT. That would be an improvement over the iOS version.
- pifflesnort 14y ago
  That's pretty much splitting hairs. Let's say Google wants to push forward dart, NaCL, or something Mozilla has never thought of, or would never agree with. Now what?
  - sp332 14y ago
    That is already the situation with native apps. That's what the real competition is! Not Firefox vs Chrome but open standards vs closed platforms. The point of the Firefox OS project is to make standards-based HTML+JS the most appealing platform for developing and deploying mobile apps. They need to make it better than native apps on any platform, and at least as good as any non-standard web technology. There is very little point in making a Dart app when a JS app is within 10% as fast and runs on every platform.
    - pifflesnort 14y ago
      Except for the fact that world-changing technologies like the web would never have existed if nobody was permitted the first web browsers because platform vendors limited everyone to gopher. I don't want to live in that two-tier world of web vendors and everyone else.
      - sp332 14y ago
        Maybe that's true, but it's really a different conversation. We were talking about getting your choice of web browser on a mobile OS. You're always going to be at the mercy of a platform vendor - Mozilla, Apple, Linus Torvalds, Intel. Honestly at least Mozilla are trying for an open development process, more than anyone else. Even Android's source only gets published after the code has already shipped. I trust Mozilla more than anyone except maybe the Linux project itself to do right by application developers.

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sp332 14y ago

At least if Chrome made a version like they did with iOS (just a wrapper around the native web engine) it would have a JIT. That would be an improvement over the iOS version.

pifflesnort 14y ago
That's pretty much splitting hairs. Let's say Google wants to push forward dart, NaCL, or something Mozilla has never thought of, or would never agree with. Now what?
- sp332 14y ago
  That is already the situation with native apps. That's what the real competition is! Not Firefox vs Chrome but open standards vs closed platforms. The point of the Firefox OS project is to make standards-based HTML+JS the most appealing platform for developing and deploying mobile apps. They need to make it better than native apps on any platform, and at least as good as any non-standard web technology. There is very little point in making a Dart app when a JS app is within 10% as fast and runs on every platform.
  - pifflesnort 14y ago
    Except for the fact that world-changing technologies like the web would never have existed if nobody was permitted the first web browsers because platform vendors limited everyone to gopher. I don't want to live in that two-tier world of web vendors and everyone else.
    - sp332 14y ago
      Maybe that's true, but it's really a different conversation. We were talking about getting your choice of web browser on a mobile OS. You're always going to be at the mercy of a platform vendor - Mozilla, Apple, Linus Torvalds, Intel. Honestly at least Mozilla are trying for an open development process, more than anyone else. Even Android's source only gets published after the code has already shipped. I trust Mozilla more than anyone except maybe the Linux project itself to do right by application developers.