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OpenSUSE Linux 12.3 has been released

69 points by Tsiolkovsky 14y ago

roschdal 14y ago
Is it possible to install OpenSUSE 12.3 on my Win8 secure boot Asus Zenbook?
- aplanas 14y ago
  I have it installed with Win8 and secure boot enable in a Lenovo machine. And in a secure boot enable dell machine without Windows.
- kintamanimatt 14y ago
  The fact people have to ask this because of "secure boot" is, in my opinion, some incredibly sad shit. Locking down hardware, or erecting barriers, bothers me a lot.
- zanny 14y ago
  Can't you disable secure boot in the bios?
- prg318 14y ago
  Try disabling SecureBoot in the BIOS. I was able to install Linux on my girlfriend's lenovo x230 with secure boot and windows 8 simply by toggling the option off.
- allerratio 14y ago
  It should, they have added secure boot support in 12.3 At least heise (the publisher behind the H) that installing worked on a test computer with activated secure boot in their German article http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-12-3-1821658.html http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-... On their wiki opens use writes that it's still experimental: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI#Secure_Boot https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI#Secure_Boot
rmk2 14y ago
I am very pleased to see this released, as some good improvements have been made. Note, however, that there have been some last-minute troubles with NetworkManager and ifup, and I am not sure they have been 100% fixed[1]. Heise pointed out that they had the same problem with the release version[2]. If any problem should arise, YaST should be able to switch between using ifup and NetworkManager. Other than that: try Tumbleweed, the sort-of-rolling-release based on the current major version[3]. It is about to be rebased to 12.3 and will receive updates more quickly than the mainline. And it is curated and steered by Greg KH! [1]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798348 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798348 [2]: http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-12-3-1821658.html http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-... (german) [3]: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
frozenport 14y ago
Sometimes I feel that their efforts are misdirected by supporting multiple desktop environments.
- AlexanderDhoore 14y ago
  It's amazing though, isn't it? KDE, Gnome, XFCE, awesome, Enlightenment... That's a lot of DEs!
vondur 14y ago
I watched the video they had linked for an intro to the KDE desktop. I must say, KDE has become pretty slick now, and OpenSUSE does a good job with their KDE desktop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHppnzlXN4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHppnzlXN4
- mixmastamyk 14y ago
  Sorry to be so negative, but uggh... So much work has gone into KDE over the years and it still reminds me of 90's IT-guy art. From the rainbow colored icons to the cluttered layouts to the mixed light and dark themes.
  - keithpeter 14y ago
    I change default art/themes always. KDE is quite understandable for a Windows 7 user I think.
  - vondur 14y ago
    I was actually more excited about the functionality of Dolphin, than the default theme, which is a bit dated. I have seen some people do some nice themes for KDE. Better defaults are needed, I agree.
bluedino 14y ago
I've always had a little bit of a soft spot for SuSE, and I had my fingers crossed that when they were acquired by Novell, it would become more popular in the business world. I think two main things are holding it back from becoming one of the 'main' distributions. The first is YaST, which is just strange in the land of yum and apt. The second is just the sheer amount of support distros like Ubuntu have. There's not as many resources out there, even though the last time I checked OpenSUSE had a strong, but small community.
- rmk2 14y ago
  YaST vs yum/apt is technically a wrong dichotomy, since YaST (as a package manager) is just a graphical frontend to zypper, which is pretty much like yum and apt, just with its own syntax. I know that many people dislike YaST, yet I have never understood why. The point is that you do not have to use YaST, you can edit every config in the normal way with your favourite text-editor, you can do everything via scripts, you can do everything headless etc. YaST is a nice bonus, but openSUSE offers the same thing everybody else offers in terms of non-gui tools. Just from personal use patterns, I sometimes use YaST for convenience sake, the user editor is nice, and so is the bootloader-stuff. Can I do it differently? Sure, user{mod,add) etc. work just as well and might be preferential sometimes, the point is that both work.
- prg318 14y ago
  YaST is not comparable to yum or apt. YaST serves as a general OS configuration tool, sort of like "Control Panel" in MS Windows. While YaST can be used to install packages, packages can be retrieved from the command-line using "zypper" which functions similarly to apt-get and yum: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper I'm not really sure what you are referring to with "support". If you are referring to the sheer size of the community, Ubuntu does has a larger community and also benefits from the fact that most Debian-related/Ubuntu-derivative related docs/advice apply to Ubuntu as well. It looks like openSUSE has a fairly active community forum: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/ http://forums.opensuse.org/english/
trotsky 14y ago
experimental ARM 64bit images In case anyone else was interested, this doesn't mean arm8 is sampling anywhere as far as i can tell, the people doing the work seem to be using a software virtual machine. http://www.arm.com/products/tools/models/fast-models/foundation-model.php http://www.arm.com/products/tools/models/fast-models/foundat...
- diakritikal 14y ago
  Greg KH gave a talk at Linaro Connect recently in which he mentions being contacted by somone who accidentally let slip they were in posession of very new silicon, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiED1K98lnw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiED1K98lnw
rcb 14y ago
OpenSUSE is an excellent distro. Congrats to the team on another solid release!
mikevm 14y ago
Dear lord, the fonts (and font rendering) on Linux (both KDE and Gnome) are just horrendous. How do people put up with this crap?
- keithpeter 14y ago
  Ubuntu have a patched library and sensible defaults that gives their distributions a better out of box (off DVD?)experience. I wish others would pay attention to this kind of detail. I've found that with nvidia graphics cards I need to use the proprietary drivers; nouveau is not quite there yet with fonts in my experience. I'd be delighted if someone has a font-config fix for that as nouveau is pretty nice these days. KDE hides the hinting/subpixel antialiassing settings in Application Appearance / Fonts from memory.
- andrewcooke 14y ago
  they are? i thought when they were configured correctly they were considered similar in quality, but different in approach to osx (there is a long article somewhere discussing this, but i cannot find it now i need to reference it, sorry). [edit http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-respecting-the-pixel-grid.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-resp... isn't what i remember, but since opensuse uses MS fonts (see below) covers the basic issue] in opensuse you typically have to install the fetchmsttfonts package.
  - keithpeter 14y ago
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/opensuse-fonts-nvidia-drivers-ms-fonts.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/opensuse-fonts-nvidia-driver... Above with an Opensuse 12.3 installation updated from RC2 to the release, with nvidia proprietary drivers installed (GO2 version, GT520 card) and ms web core fonts installed (fetchmsttfonts). Screen resolution is the default 96 dpi. Looks not far south of Ubuntu to me. How bad does it look to you?
- tehwalrus 14y ago
  when I set up my debian VM on a new laptop recently, it took me a few days to (be bothered to) figure out how to fix font rendering in XFCE. Once I did, I could use the same fonts and font sizes as in OS X with comparable (although slightly different) final effect.

69 points by Tsiolkovsky 14y ago

roschdal 14y ago

Is it possible to install OpenSUSE 12.3 on my Win8 secure boot Asus Zenbook?

aplanas 14y ago
I have it installed with Win8 and secure boot enable in a Lenovo machine. And in a secure boot enable dell machine without Windows.
kintamanimatt 14y ago
The fact people have to ask this because of "secure boot" is, in my opinion, some incredibly sad shit. Locking down hardware, or erecting barriers, bothers me a lot.
zanny 14y ago
Can't you disable secure boot in the bios?
prg318 14y ago
Try disabling SecureBoot in the BIOS. I was able to install Linux on my girlfriend's lenovo x230 with secure boot and windows 8 simply by toggling the option off.
allerratio 14y ago
It should, they have added secure boot support in 12.3 At least heise (the publisher behind the H) that installing worked on a test computer with activated secure boot in their German article http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-12-3-1821658.html http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-... On their wiki opens use writes that it's still experimental: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI#Secure_Boot https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI#Secure_Boot

rmk2 14y ago

I am very pleased to see this released, as some good improvements have been made. Note, however, that there have been some last-minute troubles with NetworkManager and ifup, and I am not sure they have been 100% fixed[1]. Heise pointed out that they had the same problem with the release version[2]. If any problem should arise, YaST should be able to switch between using ifup and NetworkManager. Other than that: try Tumbleweed, the sort-of-rolling-release based on the current major version[3]. It is about to be rebased to 12.3 and will receive updates more quickly than the mainline. And it is curated and steered by Greg KH! [1]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798348 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798348 [2]: http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-12-3-1821658.html http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-in-Opensuse-... (german) [3]: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed

frozenport 14y ago

Sometimes I feel that their efforts are misdirected by supporting multiple desktop environments.

AlexanderDhoore 14y ago
It's amazing though, isn't it? KDE, Gnome, XFCE, awesome, Enlightenment... That's a lot of DEs!

vondur 14y ago

I watched the video they had linked for an intro to the KDE desktop. I must say, KDE has become pretty slick now, and OpenSUSE does a good job with their KDE desktop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHppnzlXN4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHppnzlXN4

mixmastamyk 14y ago
Sorry to be so negative, but uggh... So much work has gone into KDE over the years and it still reminds me of 90's IT-guy art. From the rainbow colored icons to the cluttered layouts to the mixed light and dark themes.
- keithpeter 14y ago
  I change default art/themes always. KDE is quite understandable for a Windows 7 user I think.
- vondur 14y ago
  I was actually more excited about the functionality of Dolphin, than the default theme, which is a bit dated. I have seen some people do some nice themes for KDE. Better defaults are needed, I agree.

bluedino 14y ago

I've always had a little bit of a soft spot for SuSE, and I had my fingers crossed that when they were acquired by Novell, it would become more popular in the business world. I think two main things are holding it back from becoming one of the 'main' distributions. The first is YaST, which is just strange in the land of yum and apt. The second is just the sheer amount of support distros like Ubuntu have. There's not as many resources out there, even though the last time I checked OpenSUSE had a strong, but small community.

rmk2 14y ago
YaST vs yum/apt is technically a wrong dichotomy, since YaST (as a package manager) is just a graphical frontend to zypper, which is pretty much like yum and apt, just with its own syntax. I know that many people dislike YaST, yet I have never understood why. The point is that you do not have to use YaST, you can edit every config in the normal way with your favourite text-editor, you can do everything via scripts, you can do everything headless etc. YaST is a nice bonus, but openSUSE offers the same thing everybody else offers in terms of non-gui tools. Just from personal use patterns, I sometimes use YaST for convenience sake, the user editor is nice, and so is the bootloader-stuff. Can I do it differently? Sure, user{mod,add) etc. work just as well and might be preferential sometimes, the point is that both work.
prg318 14y ago
YaST is not comparable to yum or apt. YaST serves as a general OS configuration tool, sort of like "Control Panel" in MS Windows. While YaST can be used to install packages, packages can be retrieved from the command-line using "zypper" which functions similarly to apt-get and yum: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper I'm not really sure what you are referring to with "support". If you are referring to the sheer size of the community, Ubuntu does has a larger community and also benefits from the fact that most Debian-related/Ubuntu-derivative related docs/advice apply to Ubuntu as well. It looks like openSUSE has a fairly active community forum: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/ http://forums.opensuse.org/english/

trotsky 14y ago

experimental ARM 64bit images In case anyone else was interested, this doesn't mean arm8 is sampling anywhere as far as i can tell, the people doing the work seem to be using a software virtual machine. http://www.arm.com/products/tools/models/fast-models/foundation-model.php http://www.arm.com/products/tools/models/fast-models/foundat...

diakritikal 14y ago
Greg KH gave a talk at Linaro Connect recently in which he mentions being contacted by somone who accidentally let slip they were in posession of very new silicon, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiED1K98lnw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiED1K98lnw

rcb 14y ago

OpenSUSE is an excellent distro. Congrats to the team on another solid release!

mikevm 14y ago

Dear lord, the fonts (and font rendering) on Linux (both KDE and Gnome) are just horrendous. How do people put up with this crap?

keithpeter 14y ago
Ubuntu have a patched library and sensible defaults that gives their distributions a better out of box (off DVD?)experience. I wish others would pay attention to this kind of detail. I've found that with nvidia graphics cards I need to use the proprietary drivers; nouveau is not quite there yet with fonts in my experience. I'd be delighted if someone has a font-config fix for that as nouveau is pretty nice these days. KDE hides the hinting/subpixel antialiassing settings in Application Appearance / Fonts from memory.
andrewcooke 14y ago
they are? i thought when they were configured correctly they were considered similar in quality, but different in approach to osx (there is a long article somewhere discussing this, but i cannot find it now i need to reference it, sorry). [edit http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-respecting-the-pixel-grid.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-resp... isn't what i remember, but since opensuse uses MS fonts (see below) covers the basic issue] in opensuse you typically have to install the fetchmsttfonts package.
- keithpeter 14y ago
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/opensuse-fonts-nvidia-drivers-ms-fonts.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/opensuse-fonts-nvidia-driver... Above with an Opensuse 12.3 installation updated from RC2 to the release, with nvidia proprietary drivers installed (GO2 version, GT520 card) and ms web core fonts installed (fetchmsttfonts). Screen resolution is the default 96 dpi. Looks not far south of Ubuntu to me. How bad does it look to you?
tehwalrus 14y ago
when I set up my debian VM on a new laptop recently, it took me a few days to (be bothered to) figure out how to fix font rendering in XFCE. Once I did, I could use the same fonts and font sizes as in OS X with comparable (although slightly different) final effect.