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- rustc 14y agoJust curious: how much do such prolific programmers usually charge? (Hourly/daily/etc.)
- pinoceros 14y agoas much as people are willing to pay.
- momchenr 14y agoheh, yeah. whatever the market will bear.
- jamesmoss 14y agoSam Soffes of Cheddar fame charges $1000 per hour. http://hire.samsoff.es/ http://hire.samsoff.es/
- athesyn 14y agoWhat's cheddar?
- untog 14y agoI thought the same. "Fame" didn't seem the right word to apply to it, but when I clicked to the homepage I remembered seeing it on HN before now.
- brandoncapecci 14y agoI thought he was making a joke... like trying to bring out the stark contrast between the word fame and the relatively unknown Cheddar.
- rickyc091 14y agoCheddar is a task management app. If I recall, he recently sold the app and he was willing to give his services for $1000/hr. https://cheddarapp.com/ https://cheddarapp.com/
- artursapek 14y agoSam Soffes is a toy.
- div 14y agoThat says nothing about wether Sam ever got paid $1000 per hour or not. Judging by a post on his blog* I doubt that his was very lucrative for him. * http://soff.es/changes http://soff.es/changes
- Alan01252 14y agoStumbled across this today, http://guru.sensiolabs.com http://guru.sensiolabs.com. Seems to answer your question well!
- kenkam 14y agoI'm sure Jeremy can only do so much code reviews a day (unless he's a ninja robot), so why isn't there a crowd-sourced version of this? Sometimes I write code that I would like other coders to help/critique with. Github is great for collaborating and some code reviews happen (pull requests) but sometimes you're just working on a project and have no idea whether you're writing the right things or not. There have been times where I'm writing Python code and kept wondering whether I was being pythonic. Think of it as a StackOverflow for code review. Reviewing someone's code gives you karma/points/kudos/<whatever>, and dupes are OK because we're trying to encourage everyone to help (score points). Note: I haven't really given this a lot of thought, just an idea.
- rustc 14y agohttp://codereview.stackexchange.com/ http://codereview.stackexchange.com/
- Karunamon 14y agoHow will this work with SE's infamous hatred of discussion threads? I'd imagine posts about code style would generate multiple "right" answers with lots of discussion to be had?
- rustc 14y agoI've not participated much in the new SE sites, but I feel they do not hate discussion threads as much as the original SE sites.
- Mahn 14y agoGenerally speaking when it comes to SE, I've noticed the smaller the site the bigger the tolerance towards discussions, and codereview it's not quite a big community yet.
- quarterto 14y agoThat's mostly Stack Overflow, not Exchange. If a Stack Exchange is appropriate for discussion, they're fine with it.
- niggler 14y agoI wish there were a real example (to get a sense for the types of things he looks at), involving an open source project (how about coffeescript itself?)
- fogus 14y agoIs it enough to say that his credentials are everything that he's ever written made available for public perusal? There's a lot to chose from. If I had a JavaScript/CoffeeScript/Backbone codebase that needed some love then I probably wouldn't hesitate to contact him based on the example set in his public code (and that he's the primary creator... but maybe that goes without saying).
- jashkenas 14y agoMe too, but it's only been launched for an hour at this point ;) I'll try to post up real examples and excerpts as soon as any are available.
- cpr 14y ago(Jeremy, are you still working for the NYT and free-lancing, or has your wanderlust finally made you take off for good?) Looks like a great idea. Maybe you could require projects first convert to Literate CoffeeScript to make your job easier. ;-)
- jashkenas 14y agoTraveling for the year, and doing a little bit of freelance work for the Times (and hopefully DocumentCloud as well) as I go. ... now you see the hidden motivation for the recent flurry of Docco releases. I want to make these sort of working code/prose documents easier to produce ;)
- josscrowcroft 14y agoFantastic, really enjoying the blog so far. Beautiful pictures and layout (though some of the galleries have a bunch of blank slides, even after waiting for loads) Keep updating it!
- oinksoft 14y agoProbably a silly question, but what's the deal with this? <button ... onclick="location.href='mailto:jashkenas@gmail.com?Subject=Code%20Read%20%5BSmall%5D'"> Small </button> Not a huge deal but I think it's good to show where a link goes on mouseover, especially a mailto: link (some mail clients take a while to start) ... it'd seem you want <a> here.
- joshmcmillan 14y agoCould be spam prevention?
- oinksoft 14y agoIf that were the aim, and he's content to rely on JS, why not set the href attribute at runtime? In any case I'd think a small contact form a worthy investment, as I doubt he's charging pennies.
- aviraldg 14y agoMaybe because of the fact that bots usually scan the href attribute, but not the onclick attribute?
- flebron 14y agoI would think any self respecting bot would notice "Hey, there's a valid email address on the page source code :D".
- dangoor 14y agoIf someone has coded up a "self respecting bot" then I think we've lost all hope against the spam harvesters (unless, of course, that bot's notion of self respect includes the recognition that spam is annoying to innocent people :)
- kaoD 14y agoI tried clicking and it did nothing. That's bad advertising.
- bochoh 14y agoCould stand to benefit from having a domain specifically for the project.
- antonpug 14y agoInteresting. But how is this a sustainable business model?
- BCM43 14y agoHow is it not? It's not like people are going to stop writing code.
- kyllo 14y agoI think what he means is "how does this scale?" If the OP is personally reviewing the code, which the landing page makes it sound like he is, he can only do so many per day, and there will be a long queue if his service is popular.
- Chico75 14y agoThen he can start charging more or delegating, both have benefits/drawbacks obviously.
- juanbyrge 14y agoIMO this is more effort than its worth, and he will get annoyed with companies trying to hire him outright. You'd be surprised how hard it is for companies to change coding practices.
- jashkenas 14y agoIt very well could be, but part of the idea here is to make it as much of a "product" as it is a consulting gig. Having a clear scope and a document delivered at the end should help keep things clear-cut, and simple for both parties. In theory, at least.
- mindhunter 14y agoHow I hoped this to be an announcement for a public code reading. Like a author reading a chapter of his book, Jeremy reading and discussing a part of the coffeescript source.
- mindhunter 14y agoHow I hoped this to be an announcement for a public code reading. Like a author reading a chapter of his book, Jeremy reading and discussing a part of the coffeescript source.
- jashkenas 14y agoHoly moly. Didn't expect to see this at the top of HN. Went to grab some dinner, and the ol' inbox is already starting to fill up. Thanks for the warm response. To illuminate the rationale a bit more ... A lot of folks have asked for quick "gut checks", "sanity checks", and similar overviews of their codebases in the past, and this seems like a way to: 1) Help folks out in a way that doesn't entail a massive commitment or expense. Much of the time, when people are struggling with a thorny technical problem, an outside perspective and a bit of friendly advice is invaluable in getting it solved. 2) Get a lot of valuable exposure to different approaches in production apps, to learn as much as I teach. 3) A style of work that I can be productive with, even without a reliable internet connection, or offline entirely (a large problem these days). So, it seemed like a fine idea to try. I'll keep y'all posted on how it goes. And although Code Reads will be entirely confidential, if any of the companies are interested in sharing theirs (perhaps to attract recruits) -- maybe I'll be able to post one or two up publicly.
- niggler 14y ago"And although Code Reads will be entirely confidential, if any of the companies are interested in sharing theirs (perhaps to attract recruits) -- maybe I'll be able to post one or two up publicly." Can you take a high-profile public project (like coffeescript or underscore/lodash or angularjs) and do a code read? (yes I'm aware that you are the man behind coffeescript and underscorejs but I'm sure you can find something in a code read)
- ebiester 14y agoTom Dale made a tweet about submitting Ember (as a joke, presumably), but I saw at least one "Do it!" reply. I'll admit, it would amuse me.
- petercooper 14y agoI was one of those people, lol. To be honest, these things can only help. Rails advanced a lot with the Merb merger. (I'm not suggesting Backbone and Ember could or should merge, naturally ;-))
- rebelidealist 14y agoI always thought there should be a good market for companies hiring outside code reviewer before they hire an employee or a consultancy. Seen many projects crippled by dirty code written by contractors.
- danso 14y agoFor projects that are open source that are submitted to this, I would love to see its code review published.
- softbuilder 14y agoI considered doing this same thing a few years ago but decided that I don't scale. I'm glad someone is trying it out. I'm curious to see if there's a market.
- drsim 14y agoIn my previous life as an enterprise code monkey I've came across good and bad Architects. Just knowing and being able to tell me how something could be done better is valuable. But I found my frustration often was 'just f*ing do it!'. If an Architect came with great refactoring suggestions that would take minutes or even seconds to implement, what's the value in dumping me with a document? The best Architects would just do it if it was straightforward, review it with me (so I'd see why/if it was better and teach me) then commit. I'd like to see a similar thing here. Hands-on code reviews with commits. There's little I hate more than documents that never get actioned. I love the spirit of this service but add in commits to make it dynamite.
- jashkenas 14y agoI hear you, but I'm concerned about trampling on other folks' code without being involved in a long term relationship. Code bombs dropped by consultants often have this sort of problem -- where some of the more invasive changes either aren't welcome or are more difficult to integrate with the existing system than they're worth. I'm hoping that having inline examples of working code, with references to the source, strikes a happy medium here. Plus, "teach a man to fish", and all. That said, we do live in a Git world these days. Maybe a fancier package could include the creation of a branch that implements some of the tweaks/changes/ideas.
- drsim 14y agoA combo of doc + a branch commit would be spot on. You're right on the code bomb problem, but I think a good review involves making a judgement on the entire codebase. Something may be the 'right' thing to do but completely uneconomical due to dependencies. Understanding the impact of a recommendation leads to a valuable refactor or rewrite call that developers often have to make on a mature ecosystem.
- abecedarius 14y agoI've done this kind of job before and you're right, sometimes it's simplest to send a patch.
- losethos 14y agoI posted all my code very pretty on my web site. I have to kill the CIA. That's my problem. Don't worry I got God. Indexed by file. Indexed by alphabetical symbol indexed by address (on a certain install)
- j_baker 14y agoDon't take this the wrong way, but why would I want you to review my code? I would consider adding a few "achievements" like: * I've worked on JS for x years. * I've written client-side JS for x companies. Anyway, you get the idea.
- marijn 14y agoHint: google his name. His target audience already knows who he is.
- ky3 14y agoAgreed. The HN effect only lasts for so long. Once the flash crowd evaporates, prospects need more than such an unvarnished offer before they can act. Cozy up to your prospects. Release some educational content. Give some examples of how you deliver value with your code reviews. Going forward, a testimonial strategy definitely wouldn't hurt.
- klibertp 14y ago> Release some educational content. Like very well documented and widely used compiler of some language to JavaScript, perhaps?
- ky3 14y agoI don't doubt that those who are familiar with his work won't hesitate in taking out the credit card and thwacking it at the screen. Do you know if it would hurt those sales in any way if he inserts a short bio for those who don't?
- timruffles 14y agoI'd like to offer the same service free to anyone would like a Code Read but Jeremy's rate is too high/he doesn't have time. I'd get a lot out of it as I'm building a Javascript static analysis tool - exposure to lots of production code would identify how useful its features would be. I'm no Jeremy Ashkenas, but: - I've been writing JS apps since 2009, after I stopped doing AS3 apps with Flex - Teach Backbone.js, JS and d3 at General Assembly, have given various talks/workshops - Lead dev on two 10k+ LOC JS apps (for Picklive and Skimlinks) using Backbone.js - Built 3 game clients for Picklive with JS, on mobile and web - Built a visual scraper recorder/runner plugin for Chrome for Arachnys - Contribute to JS open source - shims, Sinon.js, lots of little pull requests https://github.com/timruffles https://github.com/timruffles @timruffles
- programminggeek 14y agoWould anyone be interested in a podcast of code being read with professional/semi-professional voice talent, possibly with more in-dept technical review? Also, would anyone be interested in dramatic reading of potentially horrible/hilariously bad code? I think either could be fun, but maybe that's just me.
- niels_olson 14y agoInteresting, is this new in code? There is a significant market for editorial review (in contradistinction to peer review), especially after translation (e.g.: a Japanese or French scientist will pay a translator and then an English-speaking, technically competent editor to comprehensively edit the translation).
- gfodor 14y agoThis is a really interesting model. It seems that if Jeremy gets some traction with this there is a very obvious follow-up product which provides these artifacts as a service. Of course, between here and there is all the stuff he's going to learn doing it "manually" first. I could see this being a inflection point for him (or someone who runs with this idea) in a few years. Good luck!
- moschlar 14y agoThis is a wonderful example of false advertising... He's talking about very general "code reading" on the whole article and then, at the bottom, he lines out which languages he knows - and it suddenly gets disappointing for anyone outside the Ruby/JS world. He has to be more clear about that in the headline.