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I preface this by saying I don't know the author and I don't recall ever having read anything by her previously before, so all of this drama about past things s
by mnicole 14y ago
I preface this by saying I don't know the author and I don't recall ever having read anything by her previously before, so all of this drama about past things she's spoken about is new to me.
Regardless, this is a great example of how the challenges women face (particularly on the anonymous web) are even further worsened by inappropriate skepticism from those who claim those challenges don't exist at all. All of her points were unmistakably valid and yet she was publicly shamed, her Wiki vandalized (it says this happens 2-3 times a month, and that her page has been on a watchlist for years because of this), and most of these people weren't even at the talk.
And she's right; truly civil discourse just doesn't happen in most subreddits except in very rare instances where someone decides to take the high road. Regardless of gender, because karma exists, people'd rather not risk their worthless points over being the guy that says "Hey, that's not cool." Social janitorial work isn't pretty, but it needs to be done. If Reddit won't take responsibility for the direction of the discourse on the primary subreddits, users that value stimulating conversation over the same tired [pointlessly offensive] jokes will flock elsewhere.
- revelation 14y agoI'll have my web without "social janitorial work", thank you very much.
- theorique 14y agoThat would be /b/ on 4chan.
- jlgreco 14y agoIt is my understanding that they have levels of moderation that are comparable with the levels of moderation across reddit as a whole (some individual subreddits being more heavily moderated than others). The difference seems to be one of culture, not policing, or perhaps the difference only exists in our biased perception of the two.
- blhack 14y agoNo. 4chan's /b/ board is considerably stricter than reddit. The things that were allowed, and championed on reddit would have had you immediately and permanently banned from 4chan.
- fivre 14y agoJailbait (because FBI visits, also banned on reddit), ponies (because it's in /mlp/ to allow space for other stuff in /b/), javascript viruses (because they're viruses), and doxxing (also banned on reddit)?
- eqdw 14y agoThis is fundamentally untrue. The most charitable reading I can give you is: /b/ has more, and more diligent, mods.
- angersock 14y agoRather spend time there than on Reddit, honestly. Near no filtering or maintenance, and none of this voting nonsense.
- weareconvo 14y ago> Social janitorial work This is the most hilarious euphemism for "censorship" I've ever heard.
- mnicole 14y agoIf you took it as such, sure. I'm talking about trying to recycle useless peanut gallery commentary into more productive conversation. The guy that comes into her comment thread acknowledging he was one of the called out tweets goes on to say that he was admittedly kicking someone because they were down. What value does jumping on such a bandwagon add to the real issues besides reinforcing that behavior in others?
- weareconvo 14y agoI'm not sure trying to assign "value" to Tweets is terribly productive, either.
- mnicole 14y agoAnd I'm not exactly sure how productive it is that your failure in reading comprehension has resulted in two posts wherein you've tried to belittle my point by emphasizing it. Relax and have a better rest of your day.
- weareconvo 14y ago> you've tried to belittle my point by emphasizing it. No, no I didn't. I was just making a joke.
- thwest 14y agoYour comment is wrong and rude. Oh look, I just did some social janitorial work. Was your comment somehow deleted by my act? Should I presume that Convo provides no moderation mechanisms because they would constitute censorship?
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- eqdw 14y ago> I preface this by saying I don't know the author and I don't recall ever having read anything by her previously before, so all of this drama about past things she's spoken about is new to me. RW has a reputation for courting controversy. As a result, people tend to be more critical of her than they normally would. Regardless of the validity of her post here, nobody operates in a vacuum. I personally suspect that her public shaming, wikipedia vandalism, etc., are less a function of her being a woman, and more a function of her being a fairly unpleasant and somewhat dramatic person
- nollidge 14y agoFunny. I'd say she has a reputation for not backing down from controversial topics in the face of continuous harassment.
- eqdw 14y agoThe guy I'm replying to can go look up these things himself. I fundamentally disagree with you on this, but I'm not discussing it. Someone else can, if it's that big a deal
- nollidge 14y agoI guess if you're incapable of feeling shame for such facile well-poisoning, there's not much else I can say.
- eqdw 14y agoOH MY GOD SOMEONE HIT ON ME, I BETTER YELL ABOUT IT FOR TWO YEARS.
- nollidge 14y agoI guess, if you prefer the Kafka version of reality. Meanwhile, a woman tells one 20 second story in one video, and then every day for the two years hence, people fucking can't stop bringing it up and berating her for it. Then whenever she bothers to defend herself, a thousand clueless fools get to say that she's the one who won't drop it. You know why she talks about people being mean to her all the time? It's probably because people are pretty fucking mean to her all the time. I have no clue why, if you aspire to be even a halfway decent human, you think she shouldn't be pissed about that and shouldn't talk about it. Might want to examine why that is.
- DanBC 14y ago> If Reddit won't take responsibility for the direction of the discourse on the primary subreddits, users that value stimulating conversation over the same tired [pointlessly offensive] jokes will flock elsewhere. I thought it was common knowledge that the primary subreddits are cesspools of hate. People migrate to vigorously moderated subreddits (/r/askscience is big but good) or to less vigorous subreddits which have an expectation of decent behaviour. (Eg, any of the /r/true* groups.) > If Reddit won't take responsibility What are they supposed to do? Hire teams of moderators?
- mnicole 14y agoCommon knowledge doesn't mean that people are unsubscribing at the rate people are joining, though. I'm not saying they need to hire moderators (I believe it is ultimately up to the community to effectively enforce the rules), but if that continues to be the gateway through which everyone enters, the problem will continue to grow. Responsibility could simply be offering a means after registration to find subs relative to your interest, rather than dumping everyone in the same, tainted pit and expecting them to do the legwork to get out of it.