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I like the concept, but I have two objections to it. One, as pointed out by others, I'm highly skeptical of some of those edge cases. They mention a few of them

by orclev 14y ago

I like the concept, but I have two objections to it. One, as pointed out by others, I'm highly skeptical of some of those edge cases. They mention a few of them at the end of that article, but they largely gloss them over saying they're dealt with automatically. My other objection is with Kiln itself. Not open source, not cross-platform, and even on Windows it seems to have strange requirements (like you can't run it on the domain controller). Sorry, any service that requires Windows is a automatic fail so far as I'm concerned.

mhp 14y ago
Are you talking about the Kiln servers, or issues with client software? The servers are hosted, so you don't need to worry about any requirements or cross platform issues.
- orclev 14y ago
  The servers. I was looking around on the site to try to find more info about Kiln, and one of the FAQs was the system requirements for the server (for companies that want to host their own Kiln instances I'd assume). With git or Mercurial I can spin up my own host in a variety of ways, or if I want something slicker I could host my own instance of github (not sure about BitBucket, but I suspect it likewise can be self-hosted). With Kiln if I wanted to go a similar route I need to have a Windows server with IIS and a variety of other dependencies.
  - mhp 14y ago
    Ah, that's old documentation. We host Kiln on our servers now, so we don't sell on premise versions that you'd have to install which makes this a bit moot. But if we do start to do that again, you would be able to spin them up the same way you'd spin up GitHub enterprise, with a VM: https://enterprise.github.com/faq https://enterprise.github.com/faq
    - dankoss 14y ago
      I'm surprised that it can't be self-hosted, since the product is explicitly directed at enterprise. Any company with a large or important codebase is likely to want completely secure control over their VCS. Anecdotally, at least, external hosting would never fly at my company.
    - atesti 14y ago
      When have you stopped that and what happened to the existing customers? Did you ever announce that? I have noticed that FogBugz is now in very fine print in the version for your own servers, so it looks like you want to kill that off, soon. How long do I have until I have to find something else for bugs? I'm very concerned about this!
      - gecko 14y ago
        We are not killing off FogBugz, I promise. There's a new major release that should come out very soon.
        atesti 14y ago
        Of course you are not killing off FogBugz! But what about the version for your own server? Is that going away or staying? I read your message like it's going away, otherwise you could have written that FogBugz will still be available for your own server!
        gecko 14y ago
        As of today, there is no plan to kill FogBugz for your server. That's about as clear as I can make it.
    - Niten 14y ago
      I was really sad to hear this when our company evaluated Kiln a couple months ago. Off-site hosting is not an option for our company, so we had to go with another product despite strong user preferences for Kiln and FogBugz. I hope a "firewall" install returns as an option someday, at which point we would eagerly reevaluate our choice...
  - micmcg 14y ago
    The "self-hosted" variant of BitBucket is Stash - http://atlassian.com/software/stash/overview http://atlassian.com/software/stash/overview Disclaimer: I work for Atlassian on Stash

by orclev 14y ago

mhp 14y ago

Are you talking about the Kiln servers, or issues with client software? The servers are hosted, so you don't need to worry about any requirements or cross platform issues.

orclev 14y ago
The servers. I was looking around on the site to try to find more info about Kiln, and one of the FAQs was the system requirements for the server (for companies that want to host their own Kiln instances I'd assume). With git or Mercurial I can spin up my own host in a variety of ways, or if I want something slicker I could host my own instance of github (not sure about BitBucket, but I suspect it likewise can be self-hosted). With Kiln if I wanted to go a similar route I need to have a Windows server with IIS and a variety of other dependencies.
- mhp 14y ago
  Ah, that's old documentation. We host Kiln on our servers now, so we don't sell on premise versions that you'd have to install which makes this a bit moot. But if we do start to do that again, you would be able to spin them up the same way you'd spin up GitHub enterprise, with a VM: https://enterprise.github.com/faq https://enterprise.github.com/faq
  - dankoss 14y ago
    I'm surprised that it can't be self-hosted, since the product is explicitly directed at enterprise. Any company with a large or important codebase is likely to want completely secure control over their VCS. Anecdotally, at least, external hosting would never fly at my company.
  - atesti 14y ago
    When have you stopped that and what happened to the existing customers? Did you ever announce that? I have noticed that FogBugz is now in very fine print in the version for your own servers, so it looks like you want to kill that off, soon. How long do I have until I have to find something else for bugs? I'm very concerned about this!
    - gecko 14y ago
      We are not killing off FogBugz, I promise. There's a new major release that should come out very soon.
      - atesti 14y ago
        Of course you are not killing off FogBugz! But what about the version for your own server? Is that going away or staying? I read your message like it's going away, otherwise you could have written that FogBugz will still be available for your own server!
        gecko 14y ago
        As of today, there is no plan to kill FogBugz for your server. That's about as clear as I can make it.
  - Niten 14y ago
    I was really sad to hear this when our company evaluated Kiln a couple months ago. Off-site hosting is not an option for our company, so we had to go with another product despite strong user preferences for Kiln and FogBugz. I hope a "firewall" install returns as an option someday, at which point we would eagerly reevaluate our choice...
- micmcg 14y ago
  The "self-hosted" variant of BitBucket is Stash - http://atlassian.com/software/stash/overview http://atlassian.com/software/stash/overview Disclaimer: I work for Atlassian on Stash