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Mark is needlessly caustic in these comments, in my opinion.

ihsw 14y ago
The entire exchange reads like disgruntled co-workers doing nothing but accusing and blaming each-other, and Mark's comments may be needlessly volatile however it's not misdirected. It's a shining example of office politics spilling over to the open-source community.
da_n 14y ago
I wouldn't say it was needless. As far as I'm concerned, it is the KDE and Wayland guys who have come out screaming in a very public, very vitriolic attack against Ubuntu. No matter what side of the argument you stand on, you can't deny that they have been taking a shit on the Ubuntu brand (although a lot of the worst comments have been deleted it appears). It is no wonder Mark is reacting in a caustic manner in my opinion.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  I sympathize with them. I'm still seeing mistruths about Wayland all over the Internet as a result of that highly inaccurate (at least initially, they've editted it) MirSpec document.
- tjdetwiler 14y ago
  Personally I have higher standards for professionalism for someone in Mark's position vs the KDE/Wayland guys.
- burntsushi 14y ago
  > it is the KDE and Wayland guys who have come out screaming in a very public, very vitriolic attack against Ubuntu When blatantly false things are stated about your project by an organization as big as Canonical, one really can't blame them for expressing frustration. Especially when there is FUD about Wayland everywhere you go.
dylan-m 14y ago
I agree. I've been noticing community people at Canonical (especially Mark) doing this kind of thing a lot. It's making it a lot harder for me to respect them or their project, even though I'd like to. One of the reasons I started using Ubuntu was its level-headedness and pragmatism. Lately I'm seeing a lot of blog posts from these guys, full of half-truths and accusations of massive FUD-spreading conspiracies, spaced between walls of vacuous vitriol. That definitely is not the sensible project I remember. Present facts, assume the other party means well (we're all here making free software!), and remember that typing at someone on the internet sounds very different from talking with them in person. It isn't hard to do, but sometimes it's easy to forget, and then stuff like that Google+ thread happens.
- keithpeter 14y ago
  Does anyone think that licence issues may be important? The comments in the original article about the CLA licence that Canonical use were interesting.
freehunter 14y ago
Well, the Linux community has been needlessly caustic in their attacks on Ubuntu for years now. I have to believe the community's resistance to any change or consensus is partly to blame for Ubuntu becoming more insular. If change needs to get done, it's not coming from the outside. All that's coming from outside is hate.

ihsw 14y ago

The entire exchange reads like disgruntled co-workers doing nothing but accusing and blaming each-other, and Mark's comments may be needlessly volatile however it's not misdirected. It's a shining example of office politics spilling over to the open-source community.

da_n 14y ago

I wouldn't say it was needless. As far as I'm concerned, it is the KDE and Wayland guys who have come out screaming in a very public, very vitriolic attack against Ubuntu. No matter what side of the argument you stand on, you can't deny that they have been taking a shit on the Ubuntu brand (although a lot of the worst comments have been deleted it appears). It is no wonder Mark is reacting in a caustic manner in my opinion.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
I sympathize with them. I'm still seeing mistruths about Wayland all over the Internet as a result of that highly inaccurate (at least initially, they've editted it) MirSpec document.
tjdetwiler 14y ago
Personally I have higher standards for professionalism for someone in Mark's position vs the KDE/Wayland guys.
burntsushi 14y ago
> it is the KDE and Wayland guys who have come out screaming in a very public, very vitriolic attack against Ubuntu When blatantly false things are stated about your project by an organization as big as Canonical, one really can't blame them for expressing frustration. Especially when there is FUD about Wayland everywhere you go.

dylan-m 14y ago

I agree. I've been noticing community people at Canonical (especially Mark) doing this kind of thing a lot. It's making it a lot harder for me to respect them or their project, even though I'd like to. One of the reasons I started using Ubuntu was its level-headedness and pragmatism. Lately I'm seeing a lot of blog posts from these guys, full of half-truths and accusations of massive FUD-spreading conspiracies, spaced between walls of vacuous vitriol. That definitely is not the sensible project I remember. Present facts, assume the other party means well (we're all here making free software!), and remember that typing at someone on the internet sounds very different from talking with them in person. It isn't hard to do, but sometimes it's easy to forget, and then stuff like that Google+ thread happens.

keithpeter 14y ago
Does anyone think that licence issues may be important? The comments in the original article about the CLA licence that Canonical use were interesting.

freehunter 14y ago

Well, the Linux community has been needlessly caustic in their attacks on Ubuntu for years now. I have to believe the community's resistance to any change or consensus is partly to blame for Ubuntu becoming more insular. If change needs to get done, it's not coming from the outside. All that's coming from outside is hate.