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As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of w

by nivla 14y ago

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript. A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but not for pasting to it and I thought the former was more of a security issue. Another thing I noticed is a smooth flash animation on my low powered Netbook looks like a jitter mess when implemented in canvas. Until these issues are resolved, sadly flash isn't going anywhere soon.

nwh 14y ago
> here are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but Seriously‽ That's crazy insecure, though I can't find any more information about it.
- masklinn 14y ago
  Generally in "HTML5", these interactions are only allowed during user-triggered clipboard events e.g. the developer can intercept a "paste" event and grab data from the clipboard (in order to try and get it under a different format or somesuch).
afhof 14y ago
We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live on.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
  > HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do What? Data URIs, style and script tags.
  - anonymfus 14y ago
    This is a bad way because you loose semantic of file separation. Better way is MHT, but it was supported only in IE and Opera.
  - robmcm 14y ago
    Google's closure tools can compile JS into a single file, and can also target runtimes to remove redundant code. I imagine you could get away with a single html and js file. Images could be converted to binary too in theory, I think the Cappuccino guys got something like this going. Also check out the packaged files you create for Chrome store.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
      You don't need a separate JS file, there are script tags.
- huskyr 14y ago
  > HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.
  - robmcm 14y ago
    I am guessing DRM
  - brokenparser 14y ago
    features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers So can we publish an H.264 and Speex encoded stream using a local webcam as the source over WebRTC or RTMP in all major browsers yet? Right, wake me up when they do.

by nivla 14y ago

nwh 14y ago

> here are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but Seriously‽ That's crazy insecure, though I can't find any more information about it.

masklinn 14y ago
Generally in "HTML5", these interactions are only allowed during user-triggered clipboard events e.g. the developer can intercept a "paste" event and grab data from the clipboard (in order to try and get it under a different format or somesuch).

afhof 14y ago

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live on.

TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
> HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do What? Data URIs, style and script tags.
- anonymfus 14y ago
  This is a bad way because you loose semantic of file separation. Better way is MHT, but it was supported only in IE and Opera.
- robmcm 14y ago
  Google's closure tools can compile JS into a single file, and can also target runtimes to remove redundant code. I imagine you could get away with a single html and js file. Images could be converted to binary too in theory, I think the Cappuccino guys got something like this going. Also check out the packaged files you create for Chrome store.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
    You don't need a separate JS file, there are script tags.
huskyr 14y ago
> HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.
- robmcm 14y ago
  I am guessing DRM
- brokenparser 14y ago
  features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers So can we publish an H.264 and Speex encoded stream using a local webcam as the source over WebRTC or RTMP in all major browsers yet? Right, wake me up when they do.