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Bad bad tptacek. I'm surprised by your comment. Initially I though, this guy has to be a newbie, we discuss this kinds of things all the time here, which is one

Bad bad tptacek. I'm surprised by your comment. Initially I though, this guy has to be a newbie, we discuss this kinds of things all the time here, which is one of the main reasons I come to this place. Hacker News is notorious for loving this kind of stuff so I'm not so sure why something like this is not relevant. Specially since Obama and Holder have many times not been on the same side as us. i.e. copyright, Is kind of surprising to see them protecting civil liberties when lately I've felt they have not been doing a very good job.

tptacek 14y ago
You can't even argue for this story being germane without trying to start a political argument, which I'm going to call case- in- point. I unflagged, and then flagged again.
- dkkkdkdk 14y ago
  >> You can't even argue for this story being germane without trying to start a political argument Which is fine in my view. Is a lot of fun to read the political points and counter-points of a lot of people. You really learn a lot. edit: I guess you could say this is not the right forum to discuss politics. Not all the time, maybe. Some of the time I think is fine since politics affects all of us. Unfortunately, right now there is no better place to have intelligent discussion in all types of topics so I do enjoy it when we analyze stories like this. We need to have a diverse diet, I believe.
  - tptacek 14y ago
    I suspect you haven't read the site guidelines yet.
    - alexqgb 14y ago
      Uh, if you're going to cite the guidelines, please make sure you're not opening the comment thread by violating them. Specifically: "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did." More to the point, the story wasn't about politics per se (at least not about partisan disagreement). It was about a policy shift (not the same thing) that can have real implications for technology (i.e. Glass, which could be technically illegal in jurisdictions that have misapplied wiretapping laws to limit counter-survailence of the police). More amusingly, this is a story about over-agressive policing and the push-back it's attracted. You respond with over-agressive policing and get angry with push-back it attracts. See the irony?
      - tptacek 14y ago
        No, I do not see the irony. Posting on HN isn't a constitutionally protected civil liberty.
  - alexqgb 14y ago
    As Lessig (among others) has noted, "code is law", which makes politics and technology inseparable (case in point: PIPA/SOPA). What worries me are technologists who not only don't understand this, but think it's appropriate to "flag" discussion about this reality. Seriously, this is like creationists sticking fingers in ears and saying "lalalalala" every time someone whispers "Darwin."
    - tptacek 14y ago
      Oh, look, we managed to work creationism into the thread! And this is what happens when the Obama administration does something good.
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tptacek 14y ago

You can't even argue for this story being germane without trying to start a political argument, which I'm going to call case- in- point. I unflagged, and then flagged again.

dkkkdkdk 14y ago
>> You can't even argue for this story being germane without trying to start a political argument Which is fine in my view. Is a lot of fun to read the political points and counter-points of a lot of people. You really learn a lot. edit: I guess you could say this is not the right forum to discuss politics. Not all the time, maybe. Some of the time I think is fine since politics affects all of us. Unfortunately, right now there is no better place to have intelligent discussion in all types of topics so I do enjoy it when we analyze stories like this. We need to have a diverse diet, I believe.
- tptacek 14y ago
  I suspect you haven't read the site guidelines yet.
  - alexqgb 14y ago
    Uh, if you're going to cite the guidelines, please make sure you're not opening the comment thread by violating them. Specifically: "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did." More to the point, the story wasn't about politics per se (at least not about partisan disagreement). It was about a policy shift (not the same thing) that can have real implications for technology (i.e. Glass, which could be technically illegal in jurisdictions that have misapplied wiretapping laws to limit counter-survailence of the police). More amusingly, this is a story about over-agressive policing and the push-back it's attracted. You respond with over-agressive policing and get angry with push-back it attracts. See the irony?
    - tptacek 14y ago
      No, I do not see the irony. Posting on HN isn't a constitutionally protected civil liberty.
- alexqgb 14y ago
  As Lessig (among others) has noted, "code is law", which makes politics and technology inseparable (case in point: PIPA/SOPA). What worries me are technologists who not only don't understand this, but think it's appropriate to "flag" discussion about this reality. Seriously, this is like creationists sticking fingers in ears and saying "lalalalala" every time someone whispers "Darwin."
  - tptacek 14y ago
    Oh, look, we managed to work creationism into the thread! And this is what happens when the Obama administration does something good.
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