Agreed. As an interviewer, I'm constantly disappointed with the skills of CS grads. Many years in industry show me that if there is anything to be learned about

Agreed. As an interviewer, I'm constantly disappointed with the skills of CS grads. Many years in industry show me that if there is anything to be learned about programming in college, it in a field other than CS. Now, that's not strictly true, but the fact that we've accepted more non-CS grads, or non-grads than CS grads I think says something about the state of our CS education.