4 ms·

"It seems a lot of Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" are sleepwalking us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter." If anyone is "sleepwalking"

"It seems a lot of Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" are sleepwalking us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter." If anyone is "sleepwalking" anyone anywhere then I think it's the people making big money from companies like Google, not consumers or openness advocates. That is, people like you before you found yourself unceremoniously kicked out of the club.

cbeach 14y ago
My point is that Openness advocates seem to place Google on a pedestal. Whenever I see any criticism of Android, or Google, it's always immediately flamed down. Maybe because Google is the most "open" of the major vendors today. But don't ever imagine that Google is immune from the Microsoft scenario. Microsoft competed with "closed" platforms of the day by releasing a platform that was (arguably) more open to developers, and could be installed on any hardware. Developers actually quite liked Windows back in those days. The PC clone wars ensured that Windows became ubiquitous, and it took years for people to realise just how sinister that was. I'm not going to pretend that Windows was in any way open-source, but why aren't we drawing some parallels with Google's Android platform, and the any-hardware clone war it's waging with iOS and true open source mobile platforms.
- telent 14y ago
  > My point is that Openness advocates seem to place Google on a pedestal That may be your perception, but I don't think it's universally true. Ask anyone who's tried to build a project on AOSP ...
OGinparadise 14y ago
They will wake up one day, like website owners did the minute Google decided to "compete" with them. It's not really a competition, Google controls all aspects of search and decides how much and what type of traffic to send to ads, to their advertisers, to it's own sections and to poor Jane's Delicious Pies that can't afford the $2.50 a click. Judging by the increasing earnings Google is clearly winning, so to all the lurking Google engineers, a hearty congrats! You beat them fair and square, just as IE beat all other browsers when Microsoft decided that it was the best and made it the default one.
e40 14y ago
"It seems a lot of Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" are sleepwalking us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter." Did you change what the OP wrote or did they after you copy/pasted it? They statements are pretty different (now). Here's what the OP says: Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" could sleepwalk us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter. Could/are... very different. That is, people like you before you found yourself unceremoniously kicked out of the club. I think that's who he is talking about, btw.
- abeatnik 14y ago
  The quote is a copy and paste. I guess what I was trying to say is that Android users and openess advocates are not very relevant to the topic being discussed. Google's monopoly in search and advertising should be considered in relation to those who directly benefit and lose from it as these are the ones who will determine whether it continues or not.
  - quadyeast 14y ago
    The quote marks are confusing, maybe make the outer or inner ones single quotes. Or remove the outer quotes altogether.

cbeach 14y ago

My point is that Openness advocates seem to place Google on a pedestal. Whenever I see any criticism of Android, or Google, it's always immediately flamed down. Maybe because Google is the most "open" of the major vendors today. But don't ever imagine that Google is immune from the Microsoft scenario. Microsoft competed with "closed" platforms of the day by releasing a platform that was (arguably) more open to developers, and could be installed on any hardware. Developers actually quite liked Windows back in those days. The PC clone wars ensured that Windows became ubiquitous, and it took years for people to realise just how sinister that was. I'm not going to pretend that Windows was in any way open-source, but why aren't we drawing some parallels with Google's Android platform, and the any-hardware clone war it's waging with iOS and true open source mobile platforms.

telent 14y ago
> My point is that Openness advocates seem to place Google on a pedestal That may be your perception, but I don't think it's universally true. Ask anyone who's tried to build a project on AOSP ...

OGinparadise 14y ago

They will wake up one day, like website owners did the minute Google decided to "compete" with them. It's not really a competition, Google controls all aspects of search and decides how much and what type of traffic to send to ads, to their advertisers, to it's own sections and to poor Jane's Delicious Pies that can't afford the $2.50 a click. Judging by the increasing earnings Google is clearly winning, so to all the lurking Google engineers, a hearty congrats! You beat them fair and square, just as IE beat all other browsers when Microsoft decided that it was the best and made it the default one.

e40 14y ago

"It seems a lot of Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" are sleepwalking us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter." Did you change what the OP wrote or did they after you copy/pasted it? They statements are pretty different (now). Here's what the OP says: Android fanboys and "Google Openness believers" could sleepwalk us all into the next dark "Microsoft" chapter. Could/are... very different. That is, people like you before you found yourself unceremoniously kicked out of the club. I think that's who he is talking about, btw.

abeatnik 14y ago
The quote is a copy and paste. I guess what I was trying to say is that Android users and openess advocates are not very relevant to the topic being discussed. Google's monopoly in search and advertising should be considered in relation to those who directly benefit and lose from it as these are the ones who will determine whether it continues or not.
- quadyeast 14y ago
  The quote marks are confusing, maybe make the outer or inner ones single quotes. Or remove the outer quotes altogether.