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can you please explain what you mean by 'document-oriented templating language'?

ufo 14y ago
Basically anything that doesn't have "raw text" as the underlying model and that actually understands that its dealing with HTML. I am a big fan of embedded DSLs so I prefer when I libraries that let you freely mix HTML generation with code, but in a structured way so we don't generate invalid or unescaped markup (things like PHP fall in this unstructured category). An example of the embeded DSL approach is Haskell's Blaze[1]. Perl's Template::Declare[2] and Ruby's Markaby[3] seem to use similar approaches but I never worked with them myself. [1] http://www.jaspervdj.be/blaze/tutorial.html http://www.jaspervdj.be/blaze/tutorial.html [2] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Template-Declare/lib/Template/Declare.pm#SYNOPSIS http://search.cpan.org/dist/Template-Declare/lib/Template/De... [3] http://markaby.rubyforge.org/ http://markaby.rubyforge.org/ There are also more "templaty" alternatives that don't let you use the full power of an embeded DSL but that sitll assume that you are generating a document (instead of raw text) there are things like Hamlet[4]. I am sure there are also other similar examples fore mainstream languages but as I said, I like the embeded DSL stuff better... [4]http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hamlet http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hamlet
- gingerlime 14y ago
  Thanks. Some interesting links and an interesting approach. Having looked (very briefly) into markaby, as far as I understand, the problem is still there to some extent though: "When you call helper methods inside Markaby, the output from those methods will be output to the stream. This is incredibly handy, since most Rails helpers output HTML tags."
- masklinn 14y ago
  > I am sure there are also other similar examples fore mainstream languages For Python, there's Genshi: http://genshi.edgewall.org/ http://genshi.edgewall.org/

ufo 14y ago

Basically anything that doesn't have "raw text" as the underlying model and that actually understands that its dealing with HTML. I am a big fan of embedded DSLs so I prefer when I libraries that let you freely mix HTML generation with code, but in a structured way so we don't generate invalid or unescaped markup (things like PHP fall in this unstructured category). An example of the embeded DSL approach is Haskell's Blaze[1]. Perl's Template::Declare[2] and Ruby's Markaby[3] seem to use similar approaches but I never worked with them myself. [1] http://www.jaspervdj.be/blaze/tutorial.html http://www.jaspervdj.be/blaze/tutorial.html [2] http://search.cpan.org/dist/Template-Declare/lib/Template/Declare.pm#SYNOPSIS http://search.cpan.org/dist/Template-Declare/lib/Template/De... [3] http://markaby.rubyforge.org/ http://markaby.rubyforge.org/ There are also more "templaty" alternatives that don't let you use the full power of an embeded DSL but that sitll assume that you are generating a document (instead of raw text) there are things like Hamlet[4]. I am sure there are also other similar examples fore mainstream languages but as I said, I like the embeded DSL stuff better... [4]http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hamlet http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hamlet

gingerlime 14y ago
Thanks. Some interesting links and an interesting approach. Having looked (very briefly) into markaby, as far as I understand, the problem is still there to some extent though: "When you call helper methods inside Markaby, the output from those methods will be output to the stream. This is incredibly handy, since most Rails helpers output HTML tags."
masklinn 14y ago
> I am sure there are also other similar examples fore mainstream languages For Python, there's Genshi: http://genshi.edgewall.org/ http://genshi.edgewall.org/