> True. You can also make good programs in PHP* if you "do it right". it's not exactly promoted or encouraged, or even anywhere on the radar though, and doing s

> True. You can also make good programs in PHP* if you "do it right". it's not exactly promoted or encouraged, or even anywhere on the radar though, and doing so involves a fair bit of that relational logic being implemented and enforced in the client. It seems while you see that you're making a concession, you fail to understand that that actually disproves your own point. I repeat: Your argument is invalid. > The point is, it's possible to have a "relational database management system" which enforces the relational axioms for you. People aren't saying that it's impossible - they're saying it's a question of practicality, with the most true to the abstract concept being the least practical in real world applications. > SQL is fundamentally incompatible with this concept, and forces the programmer to keep the databases relational. What? * By the way: Classic case of "doubting, supported by not looking". Even for PHP, there are plenty of resources like http://www.phptherightway.com/ http://www.phptherightway.com/ and they are widely known and shared amongst people who know their stuff.