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There are many more machines without microcode - 6502, machineForth chips like f21, c18 etc. I'd argue that they are much more appealing to a designer with tast

by gngeal 14y ago

There are many more machines without microcode - 6502, machineForth chips like f21, c18 etc. I'd argue that they are much more appealing to a designer with taste.

cnvogel 14y ago
I think that the 6502 decode ROM which matches opcode bits and sequence numbers to internal CPU functions is a very good example. It can be seen as either just a rather complex demultiplexer or, with keeping the sequencing nature in mind as a minimal, hard coded, computer program. Does microcode have to execute like traditional software to be called microcode?
- kens 14y ago
  The 6502 is an interesting case. The decode ROM (PLA) gets instructions about 1/3 of the way decoded, and then there's a whole pile of random control logic [1], [2] that generates the actual control lines [3]. The output from the decode ROM consists of semi-meaningless things such as ADC/SBC in state T0, or JSR in T5 [4], and after a whole bunch of gates these get turned into the actual control functions such as S bus to A register. [3] [1] image of the 6502 at http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html [2] schematic http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=650X_Schematic_Notes http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=650X_Schemati... [3] block diagram http://www.weihenstephan.org/~michaste/pagetable/6502/6502.jpg http://www.weihenstephan.org/~michaste/pagetable/6502/6502.j... [4] details of ROM http://visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=6507_Decode_ROM http://visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=6507_Decode_ROM
  - grannyg00se 14y ago
    "Random control logic" Oxymoron? Is the control logic really random in some way? That sounds impossible. Or at least, very highly inefficient.
    - ColinWright 14y ago
      No, it's obviously not random. It is carefully designed, but there is no regularity to it. The expression "random logic" is used to describe the circuitry that is "ad hoc" rather than a matrix, like RAM, registers, or an ALU. Google the expression to learn more. * http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=random+logic http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=random+logic * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_logic
sliverstorm 14y ago
Ah, taste, one of the most important traits of a good engineer.

by gngeal 14y ago

There are many more machines without microcode - 6502, machineForth chips like f21, c18 etc. I'd argue that they are much more appealing to a designer with taste.

cnvogel 14y ago

I think that the 6502 decode ROM which matches opcode bits and sequence numbers to internal CPU functions is a very good example. It can be seen as either just a rather complex demultiplexer or, with keeping the sequencing nature in mind as a minimal, hard coded, computer program. Does microcode have to execute like traditional software to be called microcode?

kens 14y ago
The 6502 is an interesting case. The decode ROM (PLA) gets instructions about 1/3 of the way decoded, and then there's a whole pile of random control logic [1], [2] that generates the actual control lines [3]. The output from the decode ROM consists of semi-meaningless things such as ADC/SBC in state T0, or JSR in T5 [4], and after a whole bunch of gates these get turned into the actual control functions such as S bus to A register. [3] [1] image of the 6502 at http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html [2] schematic http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=650X_Schematic_Notes http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=650X_Schemati... [3] block diagram http://www.weihenstephan.org/~michaste/pagetable/6502/6502.jpg http://www.weihenstephan.org/~michaste/pagetable/6502/6502.j... [4] details of ROM http://visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=6507_Decode_ROM http://visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=6507_Decode_ROM
- grannyg00se 14y ago
  "Random control logic" Oxymoron? Is the control logic really random in some way? That sounds impossible. Or at least, very highly inefficient.
  - ColinWright 14y ago
    No, it's obviously not random. It is carefully designed, but there is no regularity to it. The expression "random logic" is used to describe the circuitry that is "ad hoc" rather than a matrix, like RAM, registers, or an ALU. Google the expression to learn more. * http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=random+logic http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=random+logic * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_logic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_logic

sliverstorm 14y ago

Ah, taste, one of the most important traits of a good engineer.