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Apple is doing the same things today with safari on iOS that MS did with IE back in the Day.

by kayoone 14y ago

bjelkeman-again 14y ago
Not a good comparison. IE's core wasn't available open source, as WebKit is, so others could build on the rendering engine. I agree that iOS should be open for other browsers though.
- kayoone 14y ago
  The core being open source does not change the user experience though. Apple locked Safari as the default browser.
- untog 14y ago
  In this context, I don't see how that's relevant. Whether IE was open source or not wasn't relevant to them bundling it with the OS to establish a dominant market position.
- Jare 14y ago
  A stark reminder that "Open Source" and "free as in freedom" do not necessarily go hand in hand.
- scholia 14y ago
  IE's rendering engine wasn't open source but other browser developers were welcome to use it. The award-winning Maxthon browser did that well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxthon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxthon
w1ntermute 14y ago
I'd say it's much worse (what Apple is doing), since there's no way to change the default browser.
- yxhuvud 14y ago
  The behaviour is worse, but the effects on the consumer is not. This since they are not locked to their platform since they can vote with their feet in a whole different manner than they could back when MS were accused. MS had almost the entire market back then, whereas iphone sits beneath 50% market share.
manojlds 14y ago
How? You can build only WebKit based browsers for iOS and only Safari can be the default. Also, the Javascript engine used by Safari is not available. All MS did was include IE as part of the OS. You can build browsers for Windows without any restrictions and any browser can be default.
prezjordan 14y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong: Microsoft was a monopoly and leveraged that to pursue the browser market. This was a big no-no. Apple is not a monopoly.
- kayoone 14y ago
  Thats true, Apple isnt, but they wish they were!
coldtea 14y ago
No, in that Apple doesn't have a monopoly on smartphone OSs, which was the whole point back then.
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Apple is doing the same things today with safari on iOS that MS did with IE back in the Day.

by kayoone 14y ago

Apple is doing the same things today with safari on iOS that MS did with IE back in the Day.

Not a good comparison. IE's core wasn't available open source, as WebKit is, so others could build on the rendering engine. I agree that iOS should be open for other browsers though.

kayoone 14y ago
The core being open source does not change the user experience though. Apple locked Safari as the default browser.
untog 14y ago
In this context, I don't see how that's relevant. Whether IE was open source or not wasn't relevant to them bundling it with the OS to establish a dominant market position.
Jare 14y ago
A stark reminder that "Open Source" and "free as in freedom" do not necessarily go hand in hand.
scholia 14y ago
IE's rendering engine wasn't open source but other browser developers were welcome to use it. The award-winning Maxthon browser did that well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxthon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxthon

w1ntermute 14y ago

I'd say it's much worse (what Apple is doing), since there's no way to change the default browser.

yxhuvud 14y ago
The behaviour is worse, but the effects on the consumer is not. This since they are not locked to their platform since they can vote with their feet in a whole different manner than they could back when MS were accused. MS had almost the entire market back then, whereas iphone sits beneath 50% market share.

manojlds 14y ago

How? You can build only WebKit based browsers for iOS and only Safari can be the default. Also, the Javascript engine used by Safari is not available. All MS did was include IE as part of the OS. You can build browsers for Windows without any restrictions and any browser can be default.

prezjordan 14y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong: Microsoft was a monopoly and leveraged that to pursue the browser market. This was a big no-no. Apple is not a monopoly.

kayoone 14y ago
Thats true, Apple isnt, but they wish they were!

coldtea 14y ago

No, in that Apple doesn't have a monopoly on smartphone OSs, which was the whole point back then.

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