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> Seems to me that people get all angry when websites violate privacy, but when the public are encouraged to violate privacy with cool gadgets, suddenly its def

> Seems to me that people get all angry when websites violate privacy, but when the public are encouraged to violate privacy with cool gadgets, suddenly its defence-able. OK, so this is a bar. People already have eyes and memories. Head-mounted cameras like Glass and the Looxie are a way to preserve your own memory of what you were already seeing. Do you really feel that you have the right to wipe or degrade other people's memories? If you don't want someone to remember something, don't invite them at all. > What about a playground? Nursery? School? In general, all of these already have cameras everywhere, don't they? For safety? > Changing rooms? Changing rooms? Seriously? How many strangers do you let crowd into a changing room with you? Zero, am I right? So how could that possibly be a problem. As for similar situations like locker rooms, they already have the problem that strangers might be in there with you, with their eyes. I predict that as cameras go everywhere people go (and they will), we'll see a sharp uptick in single-person stalls in locker rooms. I would be far happier with that (at the gym, say) already; cameras aren't different from eyes in principle. Edited as I got farther in: > Put it this way, if I'm taking a leak in a bar's wash room, and I see some bloke wearing google glasses looking down at "me", he's gonna get very hurt. No joke. No irony. Hurt. This is true whether he's wearing a camera or not, though, isn't it? > It is simple: I dont want my urinating penis on the internet. ...or for people to see it at all, I'd expect. Once random strangers (like the guy in the wash room) are staring at you, the number of random strangers seems like a mere detail, no?

corin_ 14y ago
Do you really think that between "one person sees my penis" vs. "my penis is on the internet" you wouldn't mind which one?
- randallsquared 14y ago
  I mind them both a fair amount, but not so much as double for the internet version. It would have bothered me enormously more fifteen years ago, but it's been obvious since at least 1999 when Brin articulated it in _The Transparent Society_ that this was coming. Privacy is going away in the long run, disappearing into "public" and "secret", and things you don't want to be public will have to be secret. Hence my statement about individual locker room stalls. Since I found myself agreeing that this was going to happen, I decided that I would have to learn to accept that eventually everything about me would be public unless I went to extraordinary lengths to keep it secret. I'm 80% or 90% of the way there. :) So, yes, there's still a difference in how I react emotionally to those scenarios, but for people born in 2020, I don't think there will be.
rkwz 14y ago
>People already have eyes and memories. It's not about seeing, it's about recording and sharing it in the internet. There is a big difference.
- randallsquared 14y ago
  Smartphones were the beginning of the end of that difference. This is the obvious next step. What about when this kind of tech is so small that it's embedded in contacts? Even if you think that's twenty years off, still, surely it's obvious that it's coming? It's possible not to notice that someone is video recording you at the moment, but soon it will be essentially impossible to know if they are.
omonra 14y ago
This is probably the first comment that made me wish I could downvote. Pure trolling
- randallsquared 14y ago
  No trolling intended. I feel pretty strongly about mandated forgetting, which is what banning Glass seems like to me, given my use cases. I expect my view will be the mainstream one within ten years, but I worry that we'll get some misguided attempts to ban camera or computing technology improvements in the meantime.

corin_ 14y ago

Do you really think that between "one person sees my penis" vs. "my penis is on the internet" you wouldn't mind which one?

randallsquared 14y ago
I mind them both a fair amount, but not so much as double for the internet version. It would have bothered me enormously more fifteen years ago, but it's been obvious since at least 1999 when Brin articulated it in _The Transparent Society_ that this was coming. Privacy is going away in the long run, disappearing into "public" and "secret", and things you don't want to be public will have to be secret. Hence my statement about individual locker room stalls. Since I found myself agreeing that this was going to happen, I decided that I would have to learn to accept that eventually everything about me would be public unless I went to extraordinary lengths to keep it secret. I'm 80% or 90% of the way there. :) So, yes, there's still a difference in how I react emotionally to those scenarios, but for people born in 2020, I don't think there will be.

rkwz 14y ago

>People already have eyes and memories. It's not about seeing, it's about recording and sharing it in the internet. There is a big difference.

randallsquared 14y ago
Smartphones were the beginning of the end of that difference. This is the obvious next step. What about when this kind of tech is so small that it's embedded in contacts? Even if you think that's twenty years off, still, surely it's obvious that it's coming? It's possible not to notice that someone is video recording you at the moment, but soon it will be essentially impossible to know if they are.

omonra 14y ago

This is probably the first comment that made me wish I could downvote. Pure trolling

randallsquared 14y ago
No trolling intended. I feel pretty strongly about mandated forgetting, which is what banning Glass seems like to me, given my use cases. I expect my view will be the mainstream one within ten years, but I worry that we'll get some misguided attempts to ban camera or computing technology improvements in the meantime.