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Elon Musk cares. He has everything on the line, and everything he's worked for (and his employees and investors too). They're trying to change something fundame

Elon Musk cares. He has everything on the line, and everything he's worked for (and his employees and investors too). They're trying to change something fundamental. Years of effort by thousands of people, doing something that matters. To have that put at risk by a lazy/incompetent reporter, who's got nothing on the line but 24 hours of his ass in a car, someone who can't even take his job seriously enough to even attempt to get it right...it's got to be infuriating. Put the echo chamber idiocy out of mind. There's someone who's right here. And it's not Broder. Say, why hasn't Broder offered to repeat the drive? He's probably too busy figuring out how to review rocket technology without learning anything about that either.

niggler 14y ago
You've fallen into the trap of accepting Musk's false dichotomy here. Try to separate your emotions when you analyze what happened here. What's clear, from an objective point of view, is that there were issues that could be attributed to Tesla. Musk still hasn't refuted the fact that Tesla engineers gave Broder really poor advice during the trip. Musk didn't produce the call logs, and the "data" corroborates most of Broder's claims regarding what happened during the drive. "Elon Musk cares. He has everything on the line, and everything he's worked for " Gives him more incentive to fight the NYT and try to paint Broder as an evil man. CEO has billions of dollars on the line, NYT reporter has his career on the line, yet if this were any other traditional company you would side with the reporter. "To have that put at risk by a lazy/incompetent reporter, who's got nothing on the line but 24 hours of his ass in a car, someone who can't even take his job seriously enough to even attempt to get it right...it's got to be infuriating." Broder did get it right, and Musk's data and nonsequiturs proved it. The core facts were that Broder followed Tesla's advice and, by following the advice, the car ran out of charge. You are letting your blind faith in Musk cloud your reasoning abilities "Say, why hasn't Broder offered to repeat the drive? He's probably too busy figuring out how to review rocket technology without learning anything about that either." Why hasn't Musk revealed the call logs with the advice Tesla gave Broder during the trip? Is it because they would corroborate Broder's story? Most likely.
- rossjudson 14y ago
  "Low-grade ethics violation" is an apt description of what occurred, in my opinion. Musk hasn't painted Broder as evil. Publicity-seeking and/or incompetence aren't evil. It's just amplified by the backdrop of electric cars. If Musk hadn't called bullshit when he saw it, it would have been open season on Tesla by every copycat hack trying to get a piece of the action. You can be sure that journalists covering Tesla for publications of record will be quite careful and accurate with their facts, good and bad, from now on. I don't think Musk can ask for more than that.
  - taligent 14y ago
    No. The media is simply not going to bother to review the car. And Musk can't ask for more than that.
    - beedogs 14y ago
      That's a great theory, except they've continued to review it. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/road-tests/road-test-2013-tesla-model-s http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/road-tests/road-test... http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s-lessons/ http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s-lessons/ http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-term-road-test/2013-tesla-model-s-all-electric-weekend.html http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-term-road-tes...
      - ericd 14y ago
        To think that the media would boycott talking about this car would require a pretty deep misunderstanding of the incentives at play and the structure of the media.
  - niggler 14y ago
    "Low-grade ethics violation" is appropriate only if you think the journalist's mandate was to brown-nose. "Musk hasn't painted Broder as evil." Musk wrote (source: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive): In Mr. Broder’s case, he simply did not accurately capture what happened and worked very hard to force our car to stop running. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely painting Broder as Evil. I'm going to repeat the claim, because for some reason you don't see this as nefarious: worked very hard to force our car to stop running. "If Musk hadn't called bullshit when he saw it, it would have been open season on Tesla by every copycat hack trying to get a piece of the action." Instead, it was open season to attack NYT. "You can be sure that journalists covering Tesla for publications of record will be quite careful and accurate with their facts, good and bad, from now on. I don't think Musk can ask for more than that." What Musk is asking for is the media to be his lapdog. And that's fine. But don't delude yourself into thinking he's asking for objectivity. You are belying your own inability to think.
taligent 14y ago
The reporter would have his reputation on the line so it's not he has nothing to lose here. And if a bad review could leave you attacked by Musk and the huge hoardes of influential internet nerds I can't see what gain they would have from a repeat review. Telsa is starting to get a reputation as being toxic to the media.

niggler 14y ago

You've fallen into the trap of accepting Musk's false dichotomy here. Try to separate your emotions when you analyze what happened here. What's clear, from an objective point of view, is that there were issues that could be attributed to Tesla. Musk still hasn't refuted the fact that Tesla engineers gave Broder really poor advice during the trip. Musk didn't produce the call logs, and the "data" corroborates most of Broder's claims regarding what happened during the drive. "Elon Musk cares. He has everything on the line, and everything he's worked for " Gives him more incentive to fight the NYT and try to paint Broder as an evil man. CEO has billions of dollars on the line, NYT reporter has his career on the line, yet if this were any other traditional company you would side with the reporter. "To have that put at risk by a lazy/incompetent reporter, who's got nothing on the line but 24 hours of his ass in a car, someone who can't even take his job seriously enough to even attempt to get it right...it's got to be infuriating." Broder did get it right, and Musk's data and nonsequiturs proved it. The core facts were that Broder followed Tesla's advice and, by following the advice, the car ran out of charge. You are letting your blind faith in Musk cloud your reasoning abilities "Say, why hasn't Broder offered to repeat the drive? He's probably too busy figuring out how to review rocket technology without learning anything about that either." Why hasn't Musk revealed the call logs with the advice Tesla gave Broder during the trip? Is it because they would corroborate Broder's story? Most likely.

rossjudson 14y ago
"Low-grade ethics violation" is an apt description of what occurred, in my opinion. Musk hasn't painted Broder as evil. Publicity-seeking and/or incompetence aren't evil. It's just amplified by the backdrop of electric cars. If Musk hadn't called bullshit when he saw it, it would have been open season on Tesla by every copycat hack trying to get a piece of the action. You can be sure that journalists covering Tesla for publications of record will be quite careful and accurate with their facts, good and bad, from now on. I don't think Musk can ask for more than that.
- taligent 14y ago
  No. The media is simply not going to bother to review the car. And Musk can't ask for more than that.
  - beedogs 14y ago
    That's a great theory, except they've continued to review it. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/road-tests/road-test-2013-tesla-model-s http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/road-tests/road-test... http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s-lessons/ http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s-lessons/ http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-term-road-test/2013-tesla-model-s-all-electric-weekend.html http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-term-road-tes...
    - ericd 14y ago
      To think that the media would boycott talking about this car would require a pretty deep misunderstanding of the incentives at play and the structure of the media.
- niggler 14y ago
  "Low-grade ethics violation" is appropriate only if you think the journalist's mandate was to brown-nose. "Musk hasn't painted Broder as evil." Musk wrote (source: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive): In Mr. Broder’s case, he simply did not accurately capture what happened and worked very hard to force our car to stop running. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely painting Broder as Evil. I'm going to repeat the claim, because for some reason you don't see this as nefarious: worked very hard to force our car to stop running. "If Musk hadn't called bullshit when he saw it, it would have been open season on Tesla by every copycat hack trying to get a piece of the action." Instead, it was open season to attack NYT. "You can be sure that journalists covering Tesla for publications of record will be quite careful and accurate with their facts, good and bad, from now on. I don't think Musk can ask for more than that." What Musk is asking for is the media to be his lapdog. And that's fine. But don't delude yourself into thinking he's asking for objectivity. You are belying your own inability to think.

taligent 14y ago

The reporter would have his reputation on the line so it's not he has nothing to lose here. And if a bad review could leave you attacked by Musk and the huge hoardes of influential internet nerds I can't see what gain they would have from a repeat review. Telsa is starting to get a reputation as being toxic to the media.