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17 Windows browsers on your Mac. Sort of.

33 points by jawngee 18y ago

dw0rm 18y ago
I wouldn't be using this. Because static screenshots doesn't cover testing of dynamic behavior. For example when testing liquid layout I should be able to resize the window. Not mentioning testing hover effects on links or javascript effects.
- dmix 18y ago
  Another big drawback would be the load times for the screenshots. When I make a change in Textmate, I can cmd-tab into VMWare and refresh the browser in a couple seconds. I don't have to wait for the server to respond and download the images.
  - dw0rm 18y ago
    I'm using RDC from my imac to an old pc running Windows XP.
petercooper 18y ago
Separate to how useful this is, this is an awesome marketing technique that others should look into. That is, distributing a desktop app that's really just a front-end for what your Web app already does. I've noticed it in myself (and I'm sure it applies to others) that I sense more "value" in downloading a "free app" versus using a free Web service. I was familiar with Litmus's services before, but I hadn't really bothered to give it a go until this. This desktop app makes it convenient (even though you have to use the Web to setup an account!) and it "feels" better somehow. If you have a Web app, think about whether a similar tactic could work for you (I've seen a similar thing happening with free iPhone apps promoting Web apps).
- Hexstream 18y ago
  Pretty ironic, considering usually an argument for free websites over free desktop apps is that it's easier and less dangerous to try out a free website because you don't have to install anything.
  - petercooper 18y ago
    Quite! Good point :) I think it taps in to old assumptions. "Software expensive, Web free." On 37signals Live yesterday David Heinemeier Hansson was talking about how people take recommendations more seriously when someone is a paying customer of something than just a free user. I think this sort of thinking ties in with software being perceived as more valuable and why Alkaline could, perhaps, get better buzz than the underlying service.
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rscott 18y ago
Similarly, http://browsershots.org/ http://browsershots.org/ will do this sans native OSX app.
- eli 18y ago
  litmusapp doesn't require an app either. In fact, I think the app is just a gimmick
DLWormwood 18y ago
Was it really necessary to explain this with a video, with no apparent text FAQ or documentation page? Not everybody's work LAN permits video traffic...
- adamhowell 18y ago
  http://litmusapp.com/blog/introducing-alkaline http://litmusapp.com/blog/introducing-alkaline ?
  - DLWormwood 18y ago
    Blog? Isn't that a little rude on their part? It's just happenstance that the "elevator statement" article is the current. If this like any other start-up blog in the future, later users who visit this page will be faced with marketing or development minutia. (It's why it didn't occur to me to even follow said link.)
axod 18y ago
Static pages are pretty rare these days. Quite a lot of the cross browser issues are when it comes to dynamic content, so I'm not really sure how useful a single screenshot is. I'll stick with VirtualBox for now :) http://axod.net/browserTesting.png http://axod.net/browserTesting.png You can download the XP images free from microsoft, ready installed with IE6 IE7 and IE8. You just have to jump a couple of hoops to get the images into a format virtualbox/vmware etc understand.
- Hexstream 18y ago
  "You can download the XP images free from microsoft, ready installed with IE6 IE7 and IE8." Where??
  - jeroen 18y ago
    Here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8ef&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=21e... Currently time-limited to april 30, but so far MS continues to provide new versions. I guess they're just trying to prevent any other use of these images.
  - juliend2 18y ago
    There's a how-to here: http://www.10voltmedia.com/blog/2008/12/screencast-install-internet-explorer-on-osx-using-virtualbox/ http://www.10voltmedia.com/blog/2008/12/screencast-install-i...
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jack7890 18y ago
Anyone know a good what to test on multiple browsers on a PC? Are virtual machines the only answer?
- toddml 18y ago
  http://crossbrowsertesting.com/ http://crossbrowsertesting.com/ gives you VNC sessions on a raft of preconfigured Windows instances.
Watts 18y ago
I like the idea as far as checking for visual inconsistencies goes, but after trying out the free account I think it's just too slow to use on a day-to-day basis. Rendering takes too long, and switching between the different browser views even takes around 5 seconds. And as someone else pointed out, it isn't useful for any real testing of Javascript etc.
philfreo 18y ago
IETester is good for testing different versions of IE, but is Windows only: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage

33 points by jawngee 18y ago

dw0rm 18y ago

I wouldn't be using this. Because static screenshots doesn't cover testing of dynamic behavior. For example when testing liquid layout I should be able to resize the window. Not mentioning testing hover effects on links or javascript effects.

dmix 18y ago
Another big drawback would be the load times for the screenshots. When I make a change in Textmate, I can cmd-tab into VMWare and refresh the browser in a couple seconds. I don't have to wait for the server to respond and download the images.
- dw0rm 18y ago
  I'm using RDC from my imac to an old pc running Windows XP.

petercooper 18y ago

Separate to how useful this is, this is an awesome marketing technique that others should look into. That is, distributing a desktop app that's really just a front-end for what your Web app already does. I've noticed it in myself (and I'm sure it applies to others) that I sense more "value" in downloading a "free app" versus using a free Web service. I was familiar with Litmus's services before, but I hadn't really bothered to give it a go until this. This desktop app makes it convenient (even though you have to use the Web to setup an account!) and it "feels" better somehow. If you have a Web app, think about whether a similar tactic could work for you (I've seen a similar thing happening with free iPhone apps promoting Web apps).

Hexstream 18y ago
Pretty ironic, considering usually an argument for free websites over free desktop apps is that it's easier and less dangerous to try out a free website because you don't have to install anything.
- petercooper 18y ago
  Quite! Good point :) I think it taps in to old assumptions. "Software expensive, Web free." On 37signals Live yesterday David Heinemeier Hansson was talking about how people take recommendations more seriously when someone is a paying customer of something than just a free user. I think this sort of thinking ties in with software being perceived as more valuable and why Alkaline could, perhaps, get better buzz than the underlying service.
- deleted 18y ago
  [deleted]

rscott 18y ago

Similarly, http://browsershots.org/ http://browsershots.org/ will do this sans native OSX app.

eli 18y ago
litmusapp doesn't require an app either. In fact, I think the app is just a gimmick

DLWormwood 18y ago

Was it really necessary to explain this with a video, with no apparent text FAQ or documentation page? Not everybody's work LAN permits video traffic...

adamhowell 18y ago
http://litmusapp.com/blog/introducing-alkaline http://litmusapp.com/blog/introducing-alkaline ?
- DLWormwood 18y ago
  Blog? Isn't that a little rude on their part? It's just happenstance that the "elevator statement" article is the current. If this like any other start-up blog in the future, later users who visit this page will be faced with marketing or development minutia. (It's why it didn't occur to me to even follow said link.)

axod 18y ago

Static pages are pretty rare these days. Quite a lot of the cross browser issues are when it comes to dynamic content, so I'm not really sure how useful a single screenshot is. I'll stick with VirtualBox for now :) http://axod.net/browserTesting.png http://axod.net/browserTesting.png You can download the XP images free from microsoft, ready installed with IE6 IE7 and IE8. You just have to jump a couple of hoops to get the images into a format virtualbox/vmware etc understand.

Hexstream 18y ago
"You can download the XP images free from microsoft, ready installed with IE6 IE7 and IE8." Where??
- jeroen 18y ago
  Here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8ef&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=21e... Currently time-limited to april 30, but so far MS continues to provide new versions. I guess they're just trying to prevent any other use of these images.
- juliend2 18y ago
  There's a how-to here: http://www.10voltmedia.com/blog/2008/12/screencast-install-internet-explorer-on-osx-using-virtualbox/ http://www.10voltmedia.com/blog/2008/12/screencast-install-i...
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jack7890 18y ago

Anyone know a good what to test on multiple browsers on a PC? Are virtual machines the only answer?

toddml 18y ago
http://crossbrowsertesting.com/ http://crossbrowsertesting.com/ gives you VNC sessions on a raft of preconfigured Windows instances.

Watts 18y ago

I like the idea as far as checking for visual inconsistencies goes, but after trying out the free account I think it's just too slow to use on a day-to-day basis. Rendering takes too long, and switching between the different browser views even takes around 5 seconds. And as someone else pointed out, it isn't useful for any real testing of Javascript etc.

philfreo 18y ago

IETester is good for testing different versions of IE, but is Windows only: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage