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Guys, the cause of security is not helped by speculating wildly. First of all, the Sun JVM is written in C++, not C. Second of all, the recent security proble
by cmccabe 14y ago
Guys, the cause of security is not helped by speculating wildly.
First of all, the Sun JVM is written in C++, not C. Second of all, the recent security problems are not the result of buffer overflows or other C++ coding problems, but design choices in the Java security model coupled with poor library coding. These vulnerabilities existed for a long time. The fact that they're only coming to light now is just a historical accident more than anything else. Oracle's response has been slow, but they did not create the problem. Sun did. (And I say that as a big fan of the old Sun Microsystems.)
The Java security model is supposed to allow you to keep both trusted and untrusted code in the same process space. Unfortunately, if any trusted library is poorly coded, you can use it to escalate your privileges. You can basically get something a lot like "eval" using the classloader and reflection.
This was a tradeoff that the Java language designers made. They chose to implement a powerful, but complex, sandboxing scheme. It would have been a lot simpler just to run the untrusted code in a separate process, like Chrome does. But that would have required interprocess communication. A lot of these 0-days have used this mechanism, or something like it, to exploit their privileges.
Another decision the Java web plugin designers made was to give plugins the ability to do almost everything native applications could do-- manipulate the filesystem, send network traffic, etc. This was another design choice that could have been made differently-- for example, Javascript historically never offered these kinds of abilities.
There have been a ton of Java 0-days and I don't have time to explain or research them all. But most of them flow directly out of the underinvestment in Java plugins over the last decade (a policy Sun started, and Oracle continued), and the fundamental design decisions made in the early days. I haven't seen any of them that were related to C or C++ (although I haven't examined all of them in detail so maybe there was one somewhere.)