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Am I the only person who doesn't think that science and religion are really at odds, except for in the minds of fools and the mouths of manipulators? Every majo

by WayneDB 14y ago

Am I the only person who doesn't think that science and religion are really at odds, except for in the minds of fools and the mouths of manipulators? Every major religion has the idea of "oneness" wherein the God/Godhead is portrayed as the ultimate underlying energy (or doer) within every existing thing. Where is the conflict? Atheists like to say "Why invent this idea of God without evidence?", but they can't name who "invented" religion or prove that it was even invented. We were told about it. Also, every existing thing clearly does exist. So there's your evidence. How helpful is that? Here are some more scientists, talking about the unknown: You Have No Idea How Wrong You Are - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8V8rtdXnLA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8V8rtdXnLA What We Still Don't Know: "Are We Real?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH2D4-tzfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH2D4-tzfM

D_Alex 14y ago
Dude, so much rubbish in such a short post... > Every major religion has the idea of "oneness" Please point out the "oneness" in Hinduism. >they can't name who "invented" religion We can't name who "invented" cooking either. But some specific dishes... for example Peach Melba was invented by Auguste Escoffier. As a parallel, Mormonism, for example, was invented by Joseph Smith.
aln 14y ago
From your comments, its not hard to see that you are religious, so it is understandable that you would see "god" as the underlying force in everything. I think you are confusing agnosticism with atheism: agnostics basically question the existence of "god" or deities because of a lack of evidence. It would be hard to argue that we don't know who invented various religions as the stories of various prophets getting messages or missions from "god" are widely known, as well as the groups of people who practiced early versions of what we call each religion today. And the point you make saying "we were told about it" is evidence enough to question the validity of religion and god- we are relying on words and stories passed on and reformulated throughout history. This article is taking one facet of science- the microscopic world- and showing how more discoveries lead to skepticism when people in the past thought of religion as the answer to everything. It is essentially pointing to the fact that as more scientific discoveries are made, more religious theories are put to question. You are right, there is A LOT we STILL don't know about, but every time more discoveries are made, we find that more past assumptions (religious principles in this case) are proven false.
olavk 14y ago
Religion and science becomes at odds if religion makes falsifiable claims about the natural world which is contradicted by scientific evidence. Many religions does that. Liberal theology tries to explain such claims away as metaphorical. The counter-reaction against liberal theology is fundamentalism. There are a lot of religions which doesn't have the idea of a single God or Godhead. The concept of "underlying energy" sounds like New Age mythology - which is fine, but New Age is not every religion.
Shorel 14y ago
> Atheists like to say "Why invent this idea of God without evidence?", but they can't name who "invented" religion or prove that it was even invented. Religious people are sadly known for destroying and burning any book and evidence that shows any history before or in disagreement to their main faith. We can't, because you don't let us, and are willing to risk your lives in doing so. I will mourn all my life about the knowledge lost in the Great Library of Alexandria.
- gruseom 14y ago
  The library at Alexandria wasn't burned for religious reasons. It's not clear that it burned at all, or whether this is legendary. The earliest story is that Julius Caesar set fire to some ships and the fire accidentally spread. Stories of the library being burned by religious zealots are much later and likely fabrications: http://bede.org.uk/library.htm http://bede.org.uk/library.htm.

by WayneDB 14y ago

D_Alex 14y ago

Dude, so much rubbish in such a short post... > Every major religion has the idea of "oneness" Please point out the "oneness" in Hinduism. >they can't name who "invented" religion We can't name who "invented" cooking either. But some specific dishes... for example Peach Melba was invented by Auguste Escoffier. As a parallel, Mormonism, for example, was invented by Joseph Smith.

aln 14y ago

From your comments, its not hard to see that you are religious, so it is understandable that you would see "god" as the underlying force in everything. I think you are confusing agnosticism with atheism: agnostics basically question the existence of "god" or deities because of a lack of evidence. It would be hard to argue that we don't know who invented various religions as the stories of various prophets getting messages or missions from "god" are widely known, as well as the groups of people who practiced early versions of what we call each religion today. And the point you make saying "we were told about it" is evidence enough to question the validity of religion and god- we are relying on words and stories passed on and reformulated throughout history. This article is taking one facet of science- the microscopic world- and showing how more discoveries lead to skepticism when people in the past thought of religion as the answer to everything. It is essentially pointing to the fact that as more scientific discoveries are made, more religious theories are put to question. You are right, there is A LOT we STILL don't know about, but every time more discoveries are made, we find that more past assumptions (religious principles in this case) are proven false.

olavk 14y ago

Religion and science becomes at odds if religion makes falsifiable claims about the natural world which is contradicted by scientific evidence. Many religions does that. Liberal theology tries to explain such claims away as metaphorical. The counter-reaction against liberal theology is fundamentalism. There are a lot of religions which doesn't have the idea of a single God or Godhead. The concept of "underlying energy" sounds like New Age mythology - which is fine, but New Age is not every religion.

Shorel 14y ago

> Atheists like to say "Why invent this idea of God without evidence?", but they can't name who "invented" religion or prove that it was even invented. Religious people are sadly known for destroying and burning any book and evidence that shows any history before or in disagreement to their main faith. We can't, because you don't let us, and are willing to risk your lives in doing so. I will mourn all my life about the knowledge lost in the Great Library of Alexandria.

gruseom 14y ago
The library at Alexandria wasn't burned for religious reasons. It's not clear that it burned at all, or whether this is legendary. The earliest story is that Julius Caesar set fire to some ships and the fire accidentally spread. Stories of the library being burned by religious zealots are much later and likely fabrications: http://bede.org.uk/library.htm http://bede.org.uk/library.htm.